Barnados - Gender Identity Training

standwithyou I don't know the full details. I'm a member of a PSHE/SRE teachers forum as I teach some pshe. Somebody asked for help with lgbt element of school SRE policies and another member said there's was based on training from Barnardo's and their primary had a standalone LGBT policy based on the Barnardo's training. They offered to share it and lots of teachers requested it. It's a large group and the membership is a mixture of primary secondary teachers and I've never seen a dissenting voice (aside from my own - I was quickly called transphobic) on gender ideology.

God that is really worrying. To pick up on a point made earlier by Coyacan, I think it is worth holding in mind are they hoping to target marginalised kids? I mean, it’s like a cult..they normally pick on kids who no one cares about etc. I don’t get why Banardos are dabbling in gender.

But I think very VERY few people would come out thinking you can change biological sex, someone can be a man if they aren't bepenised, children should be sterilised and have their bits chopped off because they don't find into gender stereotypes etc.

I dunno. Over the years I've seen a lot of people swallow and then parrot back utter gubbins when presented by an authority figure on a subject they don't really understand well. MN feminist section is not a representative cross section of society.

Of course they can't sell everyone the lie; but they don't need to.

On the fact based stuff, I think it would be worth you looking at the Nation Curriculum for Science, OP, so you have a reassuring appeal to authority if challenging bollocks.

Valency what impact has Barnados had on the primary schools policy? Just asking as my DCs primary have had Barnados into do training. I’ve had a look at their Single Equality Policy and it’s a generic County Council one that has been adapted to be school specific but includes gender rather than sex as the characteristic to be protected.

If they took photos of you I would ask them to delete them as you don't give permission.

We were subjected to training by Gendered Intelligence.

Some of it I found very useful and helpful actually.

Some, especially around the biology and scientific facts was astonishingly wrong.

It was shortly after the Caster Semenya ruling (and heaven knows, I feel for Caster as a person, and she has done amazingly well) when it was srevealed that CS had quantities of testosterone way beyond the upper levels for any bio woman, and in fact that this is probably because she has internal testes. We were given a lecture about how CS was expected to change her body to match the sport rather than sport become more inclusive.

We were told that there were many different ways to determine someone's sex, genitals, hormones, chromosomes, and all could be different. (without being intersex).

God, just when you think we are getting somewhere another institution falls for gender bollix.

Sorry responding to the first page there.

Thanks. I had to be careful what I chose to say and which points to disagree with for worry if being labelled as transphobic.

That sounds awful. Unfortunately I know schools where the Barnardo's training has informed their school policies (primary schools). It all makes me so scared!

Good one Caaarrrl I hope I can do that and have support from others when the training backfires.

The training opened a lot of people's eyes about the ridiculous ideas which I don't think was what she really intended. I was glad of the platform to discuss women's rights both during and after.

Harry the while training had everyone thinking that if was crazy. The woman was telling a room full of teachers of various ages (but all female) that none of us really knew of we were really women!

Her - you had to tell her? God almighty...

I challenged her publicly during the training by telling her that I and other women find cis go to an offensive term.

Did many people move to "the wrong side of the room" and what sort of explanations did they give?
Was it clearly stated that people on that side were wrong in their answers, or was it just implied? Sorry for all the questions but I find this fascinating, in a "omg this can't be real" sort of way (I'm not doubting your story, it's just a crazy place that we have ended up in).

Caaarrrl How did you object? During the training or in private with the trainer?

I always wonder when push comes to shove if I will publicly question/challenge the trainer and if I can think on my feet while they read the self ID script.

I like the way Michael Conroy challenged Jan the trainer in the infamous Jelly Baby teacher session.

I am a teacher and I've been subjected to this training. I had a disagreement with the trainer over the use of cis. Many of the other teachers were unaware of the ludicrous ideology around this movement. All this course did was give me a platform to raise women's rights. No one at my school thought it was sensible at all.

Maybe chat with your fellow 'wrong group members', discuss your concerns, especially where the training conflicts with the actual law and take your concerns - as a group - to management. They can't fire you all, right?

If they lived these women's lives, they'd think differently.

www.revealnews.org/article/women-say-drug-used-to-halt-puberty-has-ruined-their-lives/

I talk quietly to many people in these matters and they either don't care or have been drinking diluted KoolAid without realising it. Intelligent educated women voting for Lisa Nandy.

Yes, I've seen some very seniot educationalists promoting the No Outsiders programme and Andrew Moffatt online. They are very well regarded and have significant reach and influence.

Foxes and chicken coops.