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Drag Queen Story Hour in Scottish Primary School

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rogdmum · 23/02/2020 09:22

Well, not branded as story hour, but the drag queen is reading a story to primary school children... Brought in by an MP (Mhairi Black)

“Thank you to Flow and @MhairiBlack for sharing their experiences with us today. It was really important to hear about Section 28 and the negative effect it had. Thankfully now we teach #LGBTEducation proudly at @Glencoats_PS #LGBTQProud @LGBTYS @LGBTHistoryScot”

twitter.com/m_watsonht/status/1230607443455025157?s=21

[Edited by MNHQ to remove image at OP's request]

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SauceForTheGander · 24/02/2020 17:57

If they are so concerned about teaching children about Section 28 why not get invite a gay or lesbian MP in - Joanne Cherry seems pretty great. Or someone who actually taught in a school in that period.

And did this drag queen just read to the kids or give them a history lesson - because apparently he's only 21 (I thought he was about 40 tbh) so not exactly lived experience of section 28 and the woke crowd are all about lived experience taking priority.

Absolutepowercorrupts · 24/02/2020 17:52

@littlbrowndog
Thanks for that info on how to link, you're a star.
I've seen the apology and Black is still ranting about homophobes

Tombakersscarf · 24/02/2020 17:51

Mind you we've not checked Justin Fletcher's twitter feed, he might have a dark side!

Langbannedforsafeguardingkids · 24/02/2020 17:46

Anyone who claims they can't see the difference between Justin Fletcher (or someone like him) dressing up as Aunt Polly (man in a dress which is appropriate for young children) and Flowjob or any other drag queen is - in my opinion - lying. For whatever reason, I don't care. Maybe they want to erode the boundaries of children, maybe they just want publicity. I don't care, they're harming children.

No one would be complaining if Aunt Polly had been to the school.

It's an entirely different thing.

But even so - what is the possible rationale for claiming that a man dressing up as a sex stereotype of a woman challenging said stereotype? It's not. A normal man who does a normal job coming in wearing a dress- that would be challenging sex (or if you must gender) stereotypes. Pretending to be a woman in an offensive way is not.

Lordfrontpaw · 24/02/2020 17:46

So how come I knew all about lesbians in 1974? There really were gay people before 2003 - and we knew it.

I suspect many of the ‘ooooo this is the same as Section 28’ weren’t there and couldn’t explain what it was.

PaulHollywoodsSexGut · 24/02/2020 17:45

I am so fed up of this shit.

No I don’t want a drag queen reading to my kids. I just don’t because it’s an entertainment form that’s for adults. And by that I include young adults.

Drag queens aren’t for primary kids. They just aren’t.

Rainuntilseptember · 24/02/2020 17:44

The headteacher says "...what it was like growing up during Section 28 when it was illegal for school staff to talk about anything LGBT.”
I was a teacher then, I taught about gay people not the same as now possibly, more against prejudice against gay people, no cops came knocking on my classroom door!

ScrimshawTheSecond · 24/02/2020 17:44

The school concerned has previously been in the news.

www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/local-news/paedophile-worked-vulnerable-children-teaching-10530730

Lordfrontpaw · 24/02/2020 17:37

Newuser123123 - us too! And political cartoons!

Lordfrontpaw · 24/02/2020 17:37

A parent (well someone says go she is) says that just about every week there is some LGBT activity or another. Why is the Head so obsessed with this? And why is she allowed to just get in with it? The school twitter account is almost all lgbt obsessed.

Newuser123123 · 24/02/2020 17:32

@NeurotrashWarrior I remember the first thing we were taught in A level politics was to read the tabloids - it's important to know what most of the country is reading!

nauticant · 24/02/2020 17:30

What started out as something good has become tedious and forced.

This was the point at which I started to see "celebrating LGBTQ+" as an instruction to be problematic. To me, things went wrong when "normalising" overshot into "celebrating" (and there was a sudden piling-in of what the "things" might be).

ScrimshawTheSecond · 24/02/2020 17:27

Me neither, NeuroTrash. I'm a lot less snobbish these days.

For all the people successfully pretending this is about a nice, kind transwoman educating kids, I suggest checking the pictures on the Sun or the Star. Or on flowjobqueen's various social media accounts, they are not hard to find. A simple google search will pull them up. Just as well kids don't have access to the internet these days, eh?!

NeurotrashWarrior · 24/02/2020 17:25

All these years dismissing the red tops.

I never thought I'd pay attention to these papers.

SauceForTheGander · 24/02/2020 17:22

yes - Frankie is a bully.

SauceForTheGander · 24/02/2020 17:21

Daily Mail article here - irony that the really explicit images haven't even been included in the piece

DailyMailFlowJob

ScrimshawTheSecond · 24/02/2020 17:19

I think you're right, Lordfrontpaw. Boyle only picks on those weaker than himself.

Lordfrontpaw · 24/02/2020 17:17

Frankie Boyle is a weasel. He wants to wade in and get into the public eye but is too feart’ to take on the transmafia.

SauceForTheGander · 24/02/2020 17:16

I'm sick of the "oh no you better not go to panto if you're so worried about a man in a dress" (spoiler FlowJob doesn't think he's a man in a dress).

It's not pantomime dames being invited in to schools, it's drag acts. Besides panto dames are dreary as crap with one joke predicated on women being gross - so I wouldn't want them in school either.

Frankie Boyle is full of shit.

The Instagram feed doesn't have to be SEEN by children for it to be inappropriate. The fact this person thinks that's an OK way to behave online and has that kind of career and online presence isn't someone who should be invited into a school in the character they play. Dear god - that account took me 3 mins to find last night - the school are bloody useless.

BringbackLang · 24/02/2020 17:14

Mhairi such maturity over the issue I see Hmm. She's far too immature and easily swayed to be an MP. The fact that her, Little OJ and Frankie are defending this as acceptable is and think it's okay suggests to me that they believe children are mini adults and should be treated as such and have no comprehension whatsoever with regards to children's need and what is appropriate for them.

I saw there was a comment from a parent saying that whole they didn't mind theIr child learning about Lgbt they thought it was overkill that something was happening every week/month (can't remember the exact wording) which I thought was interesting.

This kind of suggests to me that people are beginning to reach saturation point with regards to anything Lgbt. What started out as something good has become tedious and forced. Which is a huge shame.

ScrimshawTheSecond · 24/02/2020 17:08

Who says a pornographic drag act is representative of the gay/lesbian/bisexual community? It's an insult. Brave people fought hard, for years, to teach society that there was nothing beyond the pale about having a sexuality other than straight. And now all that work is pissed up against the wall for 'fun'.

Choking, dildo-sucking, explicit porn is utterly unacceptable for someone who posts about working with children.

Posting photographs of the kids, without permission or parental knowledge, on said social media accounts, alongside all the utterly inappropriate pictures is beyond unacceptable.

Mhairi Black's condescending dismissal of safeguarding is unacceptable.

Mhairi Black's insulting parents who complain is unacceptable.

I can handle this sneery, intellectually slobbing from a two-bit comedian. From an elected politician? Outrageous.

Is it possible to make a complaint about an MP if they're not your MP?
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Grafittiqueen · 24/02/2020 17:03

If my kids were in that picture on Flowjob's instagram account I would be absolutely furious.

definitelygc · 24/02/2020 16:58

If Frankie Boyle can't tell the difference between Lily Savage and Flow Job, who posts pictures of himself simulating oral sex / anal sex and talking about getting "on the gear", then he really has lost the plot.

jadefinch · 24/02/2020 16:49

Frankie Boyle's comments are incredibly stupid.

40 years ago we had Jimmy Savile on TV, Cyril Smith in parliament and PIE was an actual movement.

And yet, with all that child abuse going on behind the scenes, we never had acts who simulate oral sex performing to 5 year olds and 'teaching' them about sex and gender identity.

His inability to detect how inappropriate this is suggests he shouldn't be allowed to work with children - and shouldn't be on TV presenting programmes that children might watch.