Cartoon in the Morning Star

Also at “angry & aggressive” it’s not us posting photos of baseball bats or “die terf scum” or smashing up shops at being misgendered or besieging meetings screaming and banging on windows

Trans women are in the vast majorly of cases hetro sexual men who retain both their attraction to women and their intact genitalia.

Also It’s not just about safety it’s about my privacy & dignify not to change in front of Male bodied ppl I don’t know

I’m also don’t see why women only spaces designated precisely because women remain unequal such as female only shirt lists or prizes shld got to ppl socialised as maje becatse they’ve now decided to put in woman costume

They can have their own spaces, they’re not having mine

Men don’t need to dress up or go in disguise

They don't need to, but for the ones who want easy access to women whilst loudly proclaiming how vulnerable the man is, it's very effective.

Apologies for the random capitals -poor typing skills I’m afraid. Been reading through this thread and many seem very angry and aggressive. I don’t feel my rights as woman are threatened by giving trans gendered women rights .

The overwhelming violence against women is by heterosexual men.

well many TW are previously known as "heterosexual men", and are still attracted to women during & after transition.

So what's the distinction when it comes to violence against women, or at least the potential for it? I don't see any, apart from if you self if you will find an army of people who will willingly usher you into the ladies loo/changing room/hospital ward/sports team.

Cartoons are pretty much designed to push buttons, make strong points, and be offensive to someone. Free speech can be offensive. I find much of what TRAs say and do to be extremely offensive.

To misquote Germain Greer "I'm offended all the time and no one gives a damn".

Personally I read the croc as representing self id, not as all transwomen.

Men. We're talking about men as a class, however they identify. Men don't need to attack, rape or oppress women, and yet they do, in significantly larger numbers than 'isolated incidents'. You can repeat it all you want - the feminist case here is that men as a class are a significant risk factor to women. That's really all there is to it, and I give no fucks at all which male contingent find that fact distasteful or uncomfortable. It is far more unpleasant to be the woman in a scenario of fear or attack than it is to be the male a woman fears.

Or hear, even. Apparently poor SPAG is contagious.

The whole "I repeat!" thing is so funny. Here ye, here ye, a very important person has made a declaration so the rest of you peasants better hop to it and obey!

Yes there should be a review of where trans gendered people are put in prisons for everyone’s safety.

Why is everything else isolated incidents, but prison isn't?

Repeating arguments that have already been addressed and dismissed is not very effective.

Also Why the random Capitalization?

I repeat - using relatively isolated incidents to generalise about all transgendered people is wrong . Men don’t need to dress up or go in disguise or even more extreme go through Sex transition to Assault or rape women. Yes there should be a review of where trans gendered people are put in prisons for everyone’s safety.

Those pesky heterosexual males. Someone should really point out that they're a risk factor. Maybe something simple, like a cartoon, would do it?

One can see why some married heterosexual males might be a bit miffed to have this pointed out.

The overwhelming violence against women is by heterosexual men.

I don't think anybody on this thread would disagree with that. Heterosexual males are indeed the problem.

Ffs just catching up on this thread, Harrison got an apology truly they have no ducking idea how many offensive things women have to put up with and never get an apology and they got one for being offended over a cartoon, a cartoon not a rape threat, not a threat to beat them with a baseball, not a death threat, not a threat to their children, but a cartoon where they didn't like what it implied about them using woman's facilities

Chriscam - that's entirely the point. This argument is about male predators. They don't need to have gender dysphoria to identify as women. There is no gatekeeping. With self-id, the only difference between men and women is the words they say.

No one on the GC side thinks Karen White is genuinely transgender, but White was put into a women's prison all the same purely because White said the magic words, and women paid the price for this "inclusion".

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I think this cartoon is awful. It’s not funny for a start but it’s based on a stereotype and myth. The overwhelming violence against women is by heterosexual men. Using a rare example to demonise all transgendered women is appalling.

Makes me wonder if part of the outrage they felt was to test who would jump to their defence and who would not.

I think it's probably more a case of you can write lots of articles but sometimes seeing what you've written translated into one fairly in your face image like that cartoon can be a shock, even if it is a pretty accurate portrayal of what you've been writing. Looking at KH and DH's Twitter accounts, I can't see what they have to complain about.

No doubt some women will have been convinced, DARVO style, that they have been the ones 'using' allies & that 'dropping them' would be disloyal & unprincipled?

Totally agree R0.

it's a bit bloody hypocritical of Harrison and Hayton to condemn it given that it's totally in line with the type of stuff they've been banging on about themselves for a long time now

Makes me wonder if part of the outrage they felt was to test who would jump to their defence and who would not.

Wiley people don't allow themselves to be used as allies and then dropped when they have served their purpose.

No doubt some women will have been convinced, DARVO style, that they have been the ones 'using' allies & that 'dropping them' would be disloyal & unprincipled?