Dawn Butler on R4 just now - mostly sensible with blasts of silly

If your so concerned about the safety of your young girls goldfinchfan maybe young girls should be accompanied be a responsible adult there are dangers everywhere girls need to be taught to be safe and protect themselves because this is indeed a dangerous world

OF COURSE IT'S GIRLS FAULT ME RAPE!

There is never ‘enough’ proof for the blind who will not see.

That enough proof for you?

40% of trans prisioners are sexual offenders:

125 transgender inmates in uk prisions.
60 are severing time for sexual offences:

27 were convicted of rape (plus a further five of attempted rape)
13 were convicted of possessing, distributing or making indecent images of children
13 were convicted of sexual assault or attempted sexual assault
Nine were convicted of causing or inciting a child under 16 to engage in sexual activity
Seven were convicted of sexual activity with a child
Seven were convicted of indecent assault or gross indecency

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42221629

Whether someone identifies as as Male or female is absolutely no ones business and the fact that u think it is shows your inflated sense of self

Do you think male sex offenders should be in women's prisons?

The fact still remains the majority of sex offenders are straight males.

And the fact remains that the majority of people who transition later in life are also straight males.

‘feral tail you’ certainly won’t be (my autocorrect is crazy)

So the trans woman in the current case (raping women in a woman’s jail) in the US was only a pretend trans woman? They aren’t the first and feral tail you won’t be the last if males are allowed into woman’s prisons (or other woman only facilities). This isn’t intolerance this is just fact.

Yes - there are cases of men pretending - but if we get to the point where no one can challenge this or call them out then we have no safety net. And if a male bodied person can legally claim ‘woman’ and therefore access to woman’s spaces, shortlists, groups etc then it means nothing.

So yes - if someone can just claim ‘man’ or ‘woman’ it is our business.

transcrimeuk.com/

Firstly in terms of the fuss about gender neutral toilets most of those which are new being built are single use cubicles very similar to disabled toilets so the argument that women are at risk in this is utterly
Ridiculous. Secondly as myself and wife are both survivors of rape and in my wife cases sexual abuse as a child we are well aware of the dangerous that men can pose to women. The fact still remains the majority of sex offenders are straight males. Show me the evidence of the transgendered males being sex offenders and I might understand your argument. Whether someone identifies as as Male or female is absolutely no ones business and the fact that u think it is shows your inflated sense of self
Importance because what adults do as long as they are not posing a risk to anyone is none of your business. This is the problem with this brand of feminism and why it’s dying a death. My rights as a women don’t diminsh or get eroded because someone I don’t know decides he wants to identify as female. Again show me the stats of trans men that attack or harm women. If someone is that sick they want to do that they will do it whether or not they are trans or a man who wants to put on a frock and define themselves as female. Where as the statistics of trans suicide self harm and murders are staggering. People shouldn’t use the guise of feminism to preach intolerance. And if this means I’m
Not a feminist or a supporter or women rights in the eyes or the extremists that thank god for that because I’d rather be like this than ignorant

I forgot to add I am referring to something more than just hurt feelz.......I don't care atll if a person changes their gender.
But stop asking for mixed gender spaces.
You learn to cope with your choices while I cope with being female in todays world.

oh dear Katienlisa does not understand that everyday men rape women and girls.
Yes your gender does matter. as a mother and grandmother I want to know what gender a person is who is sharing a changing room with my young girls.
Women are not safe from men
So it matters.

It damn well is my business Katienlisa and if you can't or won't see how adult human female's (aka women) rights will be and are being eroded then you are either being wilfully blind or lack critical thinking skills.

Thanks for the link tbh I’m still not convinced how someone else indentifying as trans and self identification is eroding women’s rights maybe it’s because through the charity I work for I see the damage inflicted by these so called tolerant feminists on our young trans community it’s the non binary issue I struggled to get my head around until I realised whether someone indentifies as male or female or neither isn’t really anyone else’s Damn business

"Tiny fringe issue". No, it's not a fringe issue. What it has become is a no-holds-barred "debate" on the role and rights of women. I put "debate" because of course, "no debate". We are supposed to just shut up and "be nice" and let men strangle us if they want to express their sexual fetishes. If we have no separate single sex spaces, if women are not allowed to voice issues about the biological realities of their lives, then women and women's concerns get crushed. We've seen it all before.

Hi Katienlisa, welcome to MN & FWR. You’ve posted a few questions/statements about not understanding what women’s concerns are on this board - here’s a great thread www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3145470-Break-it-down-for-me which is a good place to start, warning - it’s long with lots to take in and lots of links to follow! Enjoy!

I would of loosely called myself a feminist but I just don’t get this argument trans people are attacked daily for who they are so are some women black people muslims why is talking about trans rights and safety deflecting away from those issues if someone wants to transition to another sex or define them self as gender fluid or non binary how does this diminish women’s rights it’s it what like are like as a human being that matters not what they have between their legs?

You would think, after a while it would sink in that it's a subject the public are worried about and not the tiny fringe issue Labour claim.

Remember that canvasser, professing shocked astonishment at "how many people in the party were transphobic..."? So - which is it? Nobody cares and it's never raised on the doorstep, or a massive issue people just won't drop?

If a bunch of people who care about the world and other people start telling you you have it badly wrong, it might be an idea to start to at least listen. Especially when you need their vote and their money, while they need absolutely nothing from you.

Labour's present predicament is not unrelated to their view that we have to earn their trust, and not vice versa.

So sick of the emphasis on trans and what a hard time they have. Women die daily. Women get raped daily. Women get sexually harassed daily. Women have to deal with and be seriously disadvantaged by sexism daily. No one gives a bloody damn, so why in the name of everything should we give a damn about some particularly entitled males.

every time this is discussed a trans person is hurt

Always makes me think of this meme.

STOP TALKING ABOUT MY BRAND OF MISOGYNY OR YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR MALE VIOLENCE TOWARDS SOMEONE ELSE!

Fuck off with your bullshit Dawn, there's a love.

Is there noone in Dawns life who is willing to take her to one side and say ‘look luv... you are making an enormous tit out of yourself - step away from the rainbow...’