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Dawn Butler on R4 just now

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testing987654321 · 22/02/2020 07:48

Agrees that babies are born with a sex.

But says in response to Blair's comments about focussing on the trans issue that it keeps being brought up by the media and they [labour party] don't really want to talk about it because each time it's spoke about a trans person gets hurt.

Wtf? In what world can a party have a policy that they don't want to talk about?

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BovaryX · 22/02/2020 08:12

That she obvious knows children are born as little girls or little boys but it's your gender identity which is more important

Was she asked to give a clear definition of what precisely 'gender identity' means? It's infuriating that the use of incoherent language is not robustly challenged.

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testing987654321 · 22/02/2020 08:10

What was her explanation for why she said babies don't have a sex, but is now saying they do?

That she obvious knows children are born as little girls or little boys but it's your gender identity which is more important.

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borntobequiet · 22/02/2020 08:09

I don’t think I’ve ever heard this woman say anything sensible on any subject. So I suppose it’s a start.

bellinisurge · 22/02/2020 08:09

Just listened to it and started a thread too. I was struck by Dawn actually daring to suggest biology is real. I'm rather pathetically hoping we are seeing a shift in tone towards reality. Only a shift in tone at this stage.

ThinEndoftheWedge · 22/02/2020 08:07

Did she say the review of Labour was an autopsy?? Grin

Dawn - you need to be dead to have an autopsy!!

LizzieSiddal · 22/02/2020 08:07

I’m just bloody thankful that women have spoken about this and brought it into the open.

I shudder to think what would have happened if we hadn’t shouted about this.

BovaryX · 22/02/2020 08:05

Butler's only real point is that it's all the media's fault for bringing this up. She 'didn't want to get into the Science' but begrudgingly admits that sex exists

Dawn Butler doesn't want to talk about it because when its proponents and acolytes discuss this incoherent ideology, they sound deranged. And permanently unelectable.....

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 22/02/2020 08:03

What was her explanation for why she said babies don't have a sex, but is now saying they do?

donquixotedelamancha · 22/02/2020 08:02

You can listen now on BBC sounds, the brief section on gender starts around 7.38.

Butler's only real point is that it's all the media's fault for bringing this up. She 'didn't want to get into the Science' but begrudgingly admits that sex exists.

And if they don't want to talk about it, why write and sign pledges that threaten party members?

They don't want to talk about it so much that it was the number one topic at the recent labour hustings.

Languishingfemale · 22/02/2020 07:52

Is she talking about the Tinkerbell effect?
And if they don't want to talk about it, why write and sign pledges that threaten party members? Clueless.

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testing987654321 · 22/02/2020 07:50

She's an absolute liability in interviews.

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