Dawn Butler on R4 just now

I think I quite like the Tinkerbell effect. On another thread, I learn that Harry Potter World is for adults. What exciting times we live in.

It seems that every time a woman opens her mouth she gets death threats of a Maria punch.

Dawn - please just stop taking luv...

Every time we talk about it, another trans person gets attacked.
I wish the person interviewing Butler had said, 'But that's terrible, who is attacking them - not feminists surely?

So it's gone from "you shouldn't talk about this" - shutting down people who want to talk about it, to "I don't want to talk about it", and so shutting down discussion from all angles. Excellent stance there Labour. Well done. I can't imagine why you keep losing elections.

I think we know that they can’t tell the difference between hysteria and actual-literal-stone-cold-dead-for-ever-murder.

I assumed from the OP's post that she meant trans people get hurt feelings when we talked about this.

But no, she said "attacked."

WTAF. It does feel like Tinkerbell territory.

If she gets flustered talking about penises, she cannot have an effective debate around any of the tran / women issues as it's mostly / all about penises.

Definitely don't talk about Dawn's gay giraffes, you might turn them straight.

”Every time we talk about it, another trans person gets attacked."

Right then. Let’s have the evidence for that. Who is ‘we’? How does Dawn define a trans person, seeing as the Stonewall definition is all-encompassing enough to include everyone? What constitutes an attack? Who’s keeping count? And has Dawn ever bothered to express concern about the results of the Femicide Census? femicidescensus.org/

"Every time we talk about it, another trans person gets attacked."

Well, based on that reasoning, we should never ever mention misogyny, rape or violence towards women. In fact, we should never talk about anything at all.

I'm quite happy for Dawn to keep digging herself deeper into that hole. Eventually it will be so wide and so deep, she might just bring the whole nonsense down with her.

I voted Tory at the last election because of this nonsense and plan to carry on doing so whilst Labour has this damaging attitude. I am a centrist and Labour have lost my vote

If Labour don't grasp your excellent point, they will remain out of power for the next decade.

You’ve got to admire her brass neck. If I’d said something that stupid to the nation I’d be in hiding.

I just listed to it. The exact quote was:

"Every time we talk about it, another trans person gets attacked."

I am so full of rage at this nonsense. This isn't true and even if it were it's not OK to be constantly blaming women for male violence when we are just trying to protect our spaces.

I voted Tory at the last election because of this nonsense and plan to carry on doing so whilst Labour has this damaging attitude. I am a centrist and Labour have lost my vote.

Also why is she sulking about people not understanding that she didn't mean babies literally don't have a sex? She's a politician, communicating well is part of what she is in theory paid for. If she's bad at it then that's on her.

Daisy Cooper Lib Dem MP said, in regards to press intrusion, "no one, whatever their gender, whatever their sex ..."

Bonkers! Did her interlocutor ask her what she meant? I bet not. Why are politicians allowed to spout garbled nonsense without being asked to give clear, lucid definitions?

It shows how cowardly they all are, shows no one is prepared to say “no” if they need to, and shows they would prefer to shut down debate than come up with workable solutions. These flaws then translate to all policies, and decisions that need to be made to run the country.

Well said. It's the craven sycophancy which is so explicit and frankly, so contemptible. Labour has been colonised by this lobby and its politicos are so terrified of their political career ending in a Twitter firestorm if they challenge any part of the liturgy, they prefer to go on national media and spout incoherent idiocy about babies born without sex....

Just delurking to shoehorn in the astonishing event on R4 Any Questions last night (21st).

Daisy Cooper Lib Dem MP said, in regards to press intrusion, "no one, whatever their gender, whatever their sex ..."

I gasped! And she said it again! And I gasped again!

and they [labour party] don't really want to talk about it

Thing is, you don’t have to be at all interested in the trans issue and women’s rights to be concerned, because what the trans issue demonstrates is that Labour’s hierarchy are prepared to collectively lose their minds, common sense, and all rational thought if a fearful topic comes up. It shows how cowardly they all are, shows no one is prepared to say “no” if they need to, and shows they would prefer to shut down debate than come up with workable solutions. These flaws then translate to all policies, and decisions that need to be made to run the country.

No one can possibly have any faith in them.

They don't want to talk about because every time they do they sound Batshit.

Talking about it exposes just how incoherent the whole gender movement is, and how damaging it is for women and children.

Yes the word penis seems to cause them a few problems. I guess that's because a penis is ...real.

"Every time a child says 'I don't believe in fairies' there is a fairy somewhere that falls down dead"

This Peter Pan thinking is a good description of where the Labour Party are right now. Unbelievable.

I nearly sprayed my tea. It's cringe-worthy.

She said she got flustered by Richard Madely talking about penises! Hilarious

Did they push her at all as to how a neonate can have a gender identity? I mean, they don't seem to realize that their toes are attached at that stage so she'll have to forgive us for being a bit skeptical.