Dawn Butler on R4 just now

@NeurotrashWarrior
After recent conversations I can confirm what we all know. Actual true believers are very rare. The thretning jobs and ott aggression and threats against any deviation from the script have been very effective so far and politicians at all levels have been too scared to speak out. Now is the time to let them know the public is behind them and we will support them becasue fence sitting is becoming untenable.

DB is a carcrash, an absolute joke of an MP. She know though that as a black woman running under the Labour banner in Hackney she will always be elected.

That is one of the other upsetting aspects of this, though. Quite apart from the feminism and rationality angle. She is playing right into the hands of the racist scum who have targeted Diane Abbot (whose gaffes have clearly often been attributable to health issues) and adding grist to their racist, misogynistic mill.

(I've never been a Labour Party member but have thought about it a couple of times recently for this reason.)

The party is captured Chiochan.

I'm seriously thinking of joining labour again so that I can have a voice / add my voice in solidarity to everyone being put in this position.

But then I feel like doing that for the greens too.

DB is a carcrash, an absolute joke of an MP.
She know though that as a black woman running under the Labour banner in Hackney she will always be elected.

All this is just media attention to her, fun and games, she thinks she is getting her name out there, it is only a win win for her personally.
Its a tradegy when you consider all the actually tallented principled black women on the left. Truely sad times indeed.

I suppose it's a step up from sitting next to Corbyn in the House, wittering on to herself (what exactly is she saying when she does that? Is she repeating the great leader's words of wisdom?) and nodding sycophantically at the great leader's every utterance.

I think one of the drivers is that this cause can be used by ambicious but talentless politicians as a ladder up to positians and media attention they would not otherwise have a hope in hell of getting. DB is a great example of this but I have also seen it at branch level myself

I think that is absolutely true. It explains why it is embraced with such enthusiasm by talentless mediocrities.....

I think one of the drivers is that this cause can be used by ambicious but talentless politicians as a ladder up to positians and media attention they would not otherwise have a hope in hell of getting. DB is a great example of this but I have also seen it at branch level myself.

Well today’s gem - if twitter is to be believed - is that accountants were invented to count prostitute’s money.

Ok Dawn, it’s beyond a joke now

Yep, she says it on a Pink News video clip. She keeps going on and on about why we need a serious debate about sex work in order to keep women safe. It’s interesting that we don’t need a debate about whether TWAW and its potential impact on women’s safety.

Every time she opens her mouth another Labour voter disappears.

Butler's only real point is that it's all the media's fault for bringing this up. She 'didn't want to get into the Science

I bet she doesn’t

You said every time trans issues are raised a trans person is assaulted Fact 1,650 Transphobic hate crimes were reported in 2019. In the same period 510,000 women suffered sexual assault and 1.4 million women suffered domestic abuse (Home Office figures). On this you are silent

This is an excellent point. Violent crime against women is increasing and yet there is silence from politicians on this issue. Why?

Spoke to LP official today and her opinion is that higher up officials, MPs and leadership hopefulls niether know or care about this actual issue.
They are though surrounded by young staffers, often male, who have been indoctornated at certain unis (Oxford VERY much comes to mind) with gender idology.
That and the fact that the only constuents who are contacting them about this issue are TRAs has led them to genuinly think the public are gungho for this shit.
She said the atmosphire is 'Orwellien'
Gave a couple of examples of things that had happened to her that I cant repete as it is to identifying but would shock people
She said middle ranking and even higher up officials are too scared to speakout.

I can believe that someone has said to DB 'every time you talk about this, Twitter blows up' which is not quite the same thing.

It's difficult. The media works these days by hammering one issue into the ground and attempts to change the subject are not accepted.

It does suggest you should be bloody careful what you say about anything, if you're in politics - one dumb unthinking piece of stupidity not well thought through, and people wont let it go. Hard to be sympathetic when the stupidity is so huge and there is little attempt to correct it credibly.

The idea that speaking about reality means that those who want to avoid it will be attacked by someone is plainly nonsense.

Given that women are far more likely to be killed than a transwomen, the idea that a transwoman is actually a woman, would appear, on the surface, to increase their risk, not decrease it.

It's classic 'Look what they made me do.'

Literal violence [eyeroll]

”Every time we talk about it, another trans person gets attacked.

Attacked by whom? Certainly not feminists, and very unlikely to be women at all.

Is she saying that if women talk about their rights and boundaries some bloke goes out and beats up a transwoman?

Because it will be the first time in history that men have taken the slightest bit of notice of anything feminists are saying.

On Butler's Twitter feed

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You said every time trans issues are raised a trans person is assaulted Fact 1,650 Transphobic hate crimes were reported in 2019. In the same period 510,000 women suffered sexual assault and 1.4 million women suffered domestic abuse (Home Office figures). On this you are silent

That "oldest profession" inanity makes me want to scream and slap anyone who trots it out.

Well today’s gem - if twitter is to be believed - is that accountants were invented to count prostitute’s money.

Ok Dawn, it’s beyond a joke now

Rational people do not agree with you

I love Magdalen Berns' withering comments about the mendacious manipulation of language. She is such a lucid, intelligent voice.

Magdalen Berns
'Answering: Should We Say "Gold Star" Or "Platinum" Gay?'

How does one get one’s gold star? Is it a badge? What benefits for you get from having one (is it like a Blue Peter badge?). Or do you only get one after you’ve married someone and had kids then decided to be gay (note she didn’t say Bi - or do a ‘Philip’) as the kids say...)

Ironically I've just watched the C4 first dates clip with a TW who describes themselves as a gold star lesbian. To their female date. After 34 years of marriage and children.

They apparently have a tinker bell tattoo being naughty.

She said she got flustered by Richard Madely talking about penises! Hilarious

Dawn Butler MP on why politicians must be able to talk about sex & prostitution.
(also that "sex work is the oldest profession in the world, accountancy came next in order to count the money of the sex workers" offensive nonsense)
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