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GRC changes dropped?

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WishThisWasLangClegGin · 22/02/2020 00:33

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/d19ad4fe-54d9-11ea-a869-24971f770bf3?shareToken

Bloody hell if that's true, that's fantastic!

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Lordfrontpaw · 22/02/2020 09:27

Well they’d know all about fantasy and make believe.

ThePurported · 22/02/2020 09:27

There's very little to get excited about here. A single quote from an anonymous source, the rest of it is rehashed from an Independent article last month.
Victoria Atkins has never been the minister for women and equalities - no mention of Liz Truss?
Oddly, the Times political editors always seem to struggle with this topic.

Cwenthryth · 22/02/2020 09:25

Mimmymum popped up on my Twitter feed (👋🏻! I know you lurk here!) saying the article is making it up, basically. One of her followers was complaining about it being behind a paywall so I posted a share token for them to read the article for themselves.

Lordfrontpaw · 22/02/2020 09:10

I am seeing so many public institutions and organisations with rainbow logos and LGBetc groups/unions etc and it makes me feel uneasy and even a bit unsafe.

I don’t want police rocking up in a rainbow panda car with rain or ribbons on their shoulders. I’d wonder if I would be allowed to describe the mugger as a man or would I spend 20 mins pussy footing around as they ran away?

I don’t want to see lectures given to them by Tatchell and lobby groups focussing solely on the T - do they have lecturers on the rising numbers of women being murdered? On the child abuse and pedophile rings that they ignored and how this must never be allowed to happen again?

BovaryX · 22/02/2020 08:56

It's no good them abandoning GRC changes if the police, public sector, charitable sector and many private institutions aren't actually following the law to begin with, but some ludicrously inappropriate 'guidlines' that effectively enforce GRC changes in a de facto sense anyway

That is a great point. It's also a very serious problem because politicians can be voted out. But how do you challenge or remove the army of state employees who are advancing this radical agenda irrespective of the law? This is regulatory and institutional capture. It is totally undemocratic.

Lordfrontpaw · 22/02/2020 08:55

I shall enjoy reading the paper over a late breakfast today.

RuffleCrow · 22/02/2020 08:46

What Apollo said.

It's no good them abandoning GRC changes if the police, public sector, charitable sector and many private institutions aren't actually following the law to begin with, but some ludicrously inappropriate 'guidlines' that effectively enforce GRC changes in a de facto sense anyway.

Time for the left hand to figure out what the right hand is doing; the tail to stop wagging the dog etc etc. Angry

SusieSusieSoo · 22/02/2020 08:45

Just reading the articles in The Times today. I blooming luffs Janice Turner - her 2 page article is absolutely spot on and oh I so so hope these reports are accurate.

DP sometimes wonders why I get so "het up" by all of this but I think he mostly gets it. This article will really help (this plus when I remind him about the girl guides sleeping arrangements rules).

I have a ds7 but I also have a dniece7. She needs protecting (as do all the other girls & women) and the vulnerable children who will be sterile & will never have the chance to enjoy sex or any of the great stuff that comes with those feelings.

I feel so sad and scared for all these children but slightly more optimistic for the future. Thanks again Janice Turner xx

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 22/02/2020 08:45

So wait, does that mean Irvine Welsh needs to have a hate incident recorded against him too? I mean, he wrote it. What about Ewan McGregor for saying it aloud? Maybe they could record hate incidents against every single person who worked in the film for not preventing it!

Or, you know, they could just stop this shit now. That would be another option.

NonnyMouse1337 · 22/02/2020 08:44

The Times article about GRA reforms being scrapped seems too good to be true. Until the consultation results are published and the government gives a statement, it all seems like speculation.

The Scottish government is determined to barrel through. Everyone please fill out the consultation before the deadline on March 17th. The more detailed the submission, the better, although there are fairly quick and easy guidelines available.

Howzaboutye · 22/02/2020 08:41

Schools. That is my focus on protecting. Get any gender ideology out of primary schools.

NonnyMouse1337 · 22/02/2020 08:37

There were 858 non-crime incidents uploaded to Scottish police systems last year, the equivalent of more than two a day. In England and Wales almost 120,000 cases were logged by 34 police forces over the same period.

Last year James Mooney, a film and philosophy lecturer at Edinburgh University, was reported to police after quoting an “anti-English” speech from Trainspotting.

Omg I know this guy!! Well, I don't really know him but I've gone to his Filmosophy events. ShockShockShock

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 22/02/2020 08:28

I really really want this to be true - but please please fill out the Scottish consultation!

NotAGirl · 22/02/2020 08:18

Very encouraging it was starting to feel like a waste of time completing all those consultations and sending all those emails.

Noodlenosefraggle · 22/02/2020 08:16

The result is that the leadership hopefuls now find themselves immersed in an ideological war with some of the party’s most stalwart supporters [ ... ] Their crime is to believe that Labour should continue to defend powers included in its own 2010 Equalities Act."
I cancelled my Times subscription because it was too expensive. But if its paying for them to shine a light on this nonsense, I will start it up again. Well done The Times.

Languishingfemale · 22/02/2020 08:08

rogdmum
There's another bit of push back in Scotland (re free speech) detailed the Times today. Share token:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/e2c6a718-54f6-11ea-a869-24971f770bf3?shareToken=5cf5c91af695de695d730faaa1ba8ecf

Languishingfemale · 22/02/2020 08:05

Excellent point Datun. Getting these groups out of schools is critical. Hopefully the combination of countless parents demanding to know what toxic fantasies are being sold to their children alongside the growing evidence of harm via the Tavistock etc will make previously gullible headteachers stop and think.

rogdmum · 22/02/2020 08:04

I hope it is true. The Scottish Govt seem determined to plough through with their changes - I’m not convinced they will pay attention to this I’m the slightest. They might well use it to their advantage, pushing how “progressive” they are compared to the rest of the U.K.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 22/02/2020 08:02

If this is true it's a. huge, but b. only the beginning. Stonewall isn't going to stop pushing, and if one avenue is blocked they'll continue pushing via others.

Dozer · 22/02/2020 08:01

Just speculation until govt publishes its response / policies / any regulatory changes.

many delayed govt decisions and reports at present, eg HS2 and the Huawei thing (now published) online harms, Heathrow, this GRA one. Would be interesting to have a website tracking original government statements on timelines for decisions and what actually happens. Sometimes can drag on, eg with no public response following a consultation, for literally years.

Babdoc · 22/02/2020 08:00

Qcng, transwomen have the same rate of violent crime offending as men, so we women don’t want ANY males in our single sex spaces. Saying they just want to get on with their lives- are you including “Karen” White et al in that?

Qcng · 22/02/2020 07:52

The proposals to change the Gender Recognition Act have met with criticism from some feminist groups, whose members are concerned about the prospect of trans people being able to use single-sex spaces

Not sure about this paragraph.
Feminist's primary concern is how easily self-ID can be abused by predatory males, and opportunists, surely. Not "genuine trans people just wanting to get on with their lives".

StarintheMorning · 22/02/2020 07:46

I suggest that the Government are banking on the Act changing in Scotland, it will then be literally a day trip away to ‘Gender Freedom’ and the right wing here can be seen to disapprove, whilst in reality just turning a blind eye.

Meanwhile our rights will slowly be eroded. Eventually it will be pointed out that it might as well be done here, because ‘what a ridiculous situation this is.’

Datun · 22/02/2020 07:28

The process has to start with a halt to the drugs and then examine why the proliferation of girls showing up to demand them.

Bearded male lesbians going into schools advocating for a 'pick your identity based on these stereotypes' approach should be the next issue under scrutiny.

Languishingfemale · 22/02/2020 07:23

The challenge will be trying to roll back so many other horrors happening in the name of this ideology. Prisons, mixed sex toilets in schools/ everywhere, the toxic CPS guidance, the police taking their orders from trans groups, bloated Stonewall with its tentacles everywhere.
Maybe the comments about protecting children will help people to realise that there are real victims being harmed by this cult?

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