GRC changes dropped?

For bills I suppose no one cares so long as the actual bill is paid.

Well yes but I was thinking more about when they are not paid. If it's a made up name then the person can legally say, not me Guv. Or if they move without paying, they can't be traced.

So what now.i mean its surely at the point where everyone has already acted as if its law a way that scrapping it makes little difference.

How do we get things to go back to how they should be.

I emailed the nspcc after the verita report to inform them.their.policies were advised by someone.found to be incompetent re safeguarding and they never even responded

Prisons, gyms, schools etc are all now acting illegally

How will this be undone

Hold on a moment!!

The article says one source (not named) has told them the Government is concerned about how children are being allowed to take decisions that may badly impact their future because of the "affirmation" policy.

There is NOTHING in the article to say that self id for adults wont go ahead.

Apart from the one quote the rest is just the Times repeating what is has published before about concerns from women's groups.

Unfortunately I think the article will just lead to a huge onslaught by the trans lobby to make sure the Tories ammend the GRA. They may even concede the ground on children to get what they want which is self id.

Self id (irrespective of weepy stories about trans people having to wait for so long) is about undermining the biological reality of sex and the reality that women are a sex.

I expect that we are going to have to be even more alert and on our toes, because as we know the trans lobby has very effective private networks to Government / civil service, and they will now be working over time to get this leak scotched.

Can you get a gas bill in any name though? Don't you need any proof at all
Without going into why, one of my children (adult obviously) has changed their name on all bills. Nothing at all required. For a bank account a official change of name is required. For bills I suppose no one cares so long as the actual bill is paid.

If Scotland press ahead with these changes, then you have a really clear view as to how children and women are thought of. They won’t have been.

You wait for the trans discrimination claims made if Self ID is passed. Now those will be outrageous given the current activism. It will be Janiv - and expect zero assistance from Westminster if Scotland get themselves in this mess. It will be a problem all of their own making.

Oh, The Scotsman - maybe not all is lost (but Jess Phillips getting on this - no thanks love.

www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/why-counting-dead-women-is-a-necessary-task-susan-dalgety-1-5094195/amp?__twitter_impression=true

I've always wondered what happens when a self identified transperson visits a country that does not recognise self ID. Or even someone who has a GRC but visits a country which does not allow mixed sex spaces.

DH has a habit not of passing the paper, saying ‘now this will cheer you up!’ These days. He always predicted it would turn about face and he is usually a very good predictor of trends.

Sadly to say he isn’t hopeful for the US elections but he isn’t allowed to say it out loud.

Bought a Saturday Times for third week running. My thank you.

The Scottish Government will have to deal with all the negligence claims. If they've read the Times today, they may start to take that on board.

I leave you to your rainbow St Andrews flag...

Jesus, you turn your back for 30 years and your country goes to shite...

if it comes in in Scotland I will the first to say ‘devolute away - get tae fuck and don’t come back

Don't leave us to this mess, please!!!

I'm glad of this news today, but it seems utterly unfair if Scotland ploughs ahead with what I think increasingly is seen as utterly ridiculous legislation. England/Wales has looked at it, seen that it is radioactively batshit, and backed away swiftly. But up here it seems we're still forging on - because SA Somerville and Sturgeon somehow think it's a trendy flag to be flying in our Brave New Nation. And the women of Scotland will have to deal with all the consequences.

Once they’ve dried their eyes, blown their snottery noses, and had a cup of sweet tea then I’m sure we’ll hear all about it.

Excellent. Any hissy fits from the TRAs anywhere?

It's time to welcome everyone back to a world where everyone has a right not just to feel free to reach for the goal of being who they want to be (as opposed to claiming identities which they may or may not have), but a right to believe that they can look out of their own eyes and make assessments that are testable based on a multifactorial reality.

Ministers are expected to abandon plans to allow people to change their gender by simply declaring amid concerns for the impact of children.

That's not very clear, though. Lots of people might simply roll their eyes with "aren't there about 100 genders now?"

What is really happening is this:

Ministers are expected to abandon plans to allow people to change their legally recognised sex by simply declaring amid concerns for the impact of children.

I think it's important for people to note that the studies that people use to back up the evidence for any of the claims that they make about transgender rights are weak, ill-sourced, and frequently do not come to the logical conclusions that transgender rights activists claim they do. One example: The now discredited work of Anne Fausto-Sterling.

I think it's important to show how this house of cards is falling. How the so-called "evidence" that backed up this fraudulent scheme has been shown to be a lie. That when people mourn the deaths of those murdered transgender people each year, they are almost never mourning anyone who was killed over transphobia--that the murder rates for transgender people is lower than the murder rate of other groups. And that sadly, sometimes the victims are not angels themselves, as some of them have been killed while in fights and with loaded weapons. Tragic, but avoidable.

Scotland - not so optimistic. But you could not have a situation where Scotland will be able to legislate so that Self ID will apply for England and Wales by the back door. They can’t. It’s not going to be legal to do that

If that does happen...it will only be a matter of time before the consequences become more apparent.......and not so far removed as in Canada - so the British press will be more aware of them.

Justhadathought--You are right about this. I think it's important to point out again and again that ANYONE can go on YouTube and type in detransitioners and see the faces and stories of tens, now HUNDREDS and perhaps more, of what are unmistakably real people who regret their transitions. Who have lost their fertility and have mutilated their bodies over psychological issues at the urging of irresponsible adults who had something to gain.

At least the Daily Mail gets the framing right"by simply declaring"in the first line--

"Ministers are expected to abandon plans to allow people to change their gender by simply declaring amid concerns for the impact of children.

Well done, UK!

Lisa Nandy is on Sophy Ridge on Sunday on Sky News tomorrow morning. I expect she will be asked more questions about the subject.

I wonder how much we need to thank Nandy et al. for the airing they have given this

There is still a great need for caution, I feel. Nandy and RLB et al, will now promote this as a hostile battle between two groups - with women's groups being the most hostile and responsible; when in fact - most of the heat and urgency has been created by the no-platforming, hounding, and abuse by TRA activists; and by the cheer-leading of people such as Owen Jones; by the non coverage by the guardian and so on.......When the debate has been wilfully suppressed for so long...there is bound to be an angry reaction.

The thing is - even the article writer shows little awareness of the true scale of the impacts, repercussions and consequences of transgenderism. So there is still a big job to be done.......

People and commentators are still not aware of the sorts of situations which have arisen, and are continuing to arise, in countries which already have Self ID. For example, the Jonathan Yaniv case; issues around girls and women's sports; the fact of Auto-gynephilia and how that is behind much of modern transgenderism, and so on.....

Lots still needs to be revealed. So far the emphasis is on women's 'safe spaces' - and that is about it. We need to get the de-transitioners into the spot-light too.