Labour phone canvasser whingeing about transphobia

Have what identity you like, be who you feel, but those spaces and resources are reserved for those who objectively and genuinely have those needs, they are not validation resources.

Beautifully put.

NearlyGranny
Some trans women fear male violence, yes. These would be the trans woman quietly going about their business. These trans women feel affiliation to natal women and don’t buy into the tra magic. As for the TRA’s, their behaviour is male in every way. Their response to a woman exercising their sex based rights is to threaten them with violence, to kill or rape them. They are not threatened by the average man and have no desire to empathise or affiliate with natal women.

I also don't believe it is a 'right' or should be a 'right' for any person to be able to identify into the spaces and resources that society has set aside and funded to address the particular needs, disadvantages and inequalities of a group of people with objectively real needs, when they do not in reality have those needs or belong to that group. Have what identity you like, be who you feel, but those spaces and resources are reserved for those who objectively and genuinely have those needs, they are not validation resources.

Not for age, not for race, not for religion, not for disability, not for sex. Otherwise this affects the provisions, identity, rights and resources that group in genuine need require, and is in itself an act of discrimination and privilege towards them. No one should be able to identify into anything that cannot equally be identified out of.

Possibly a helpful idea to straighten things out in mind is to stop thinking of specific social groups and the implied special rules and just think in terms of:

I don't agree with anyone experiencing reduced access to law, justice, public spaces, employment and employment law, education, health care, conditions etc for any reason pertaining to their race, religion, sex, sexuality, gender identity, disability, political affiliation.

I don't agree with anyone experiencing harassment, intimidation, assault or violence for any reason for the list above.

This includes women. The law supports the above. Equality.

Not special permissions for special people, who are only happy if another group is suppressed and oppressed by being denied equal access to the above to prove how very much more special the special people are.

I can believe in the laws protecting from discrimination above and still believe that TW and women are two definitely distinct groups, need different things, and providing for in different ways. And that someone's personal choice of gender identity can be respected without their requiring the erasure of the female class, their rights and provisions. And that sane people have no problem understanding this.

It is my pleasure.
I also find it very cathartic to respond to the canvassing emails I receive telling them to not bother contacting me again unless it is to confirm that they now agree that the word woman applies to all biological females and that they are prepared to maintain and fight for my rights.
Not the mealy mouthed commitment they spout at the moment where womens' rights centres men.

Lorks. Just googled her (Martina Big) and the current outrage is that she....has.....lied.

About her age.

Indeed, Xanthangum, love that hash tag!

The question in my mind is as simple as this: if transwomen who can use urinals (i.e. are awaiting or not seeking surgical transition and have functioning penises) are not feeling welcome or even safe in men's toilets (and other single-sex male spaces) and want to access women's toilets (and other single-sex female spaces) because they feel safer and more welcomed there, who are the transphobes?

If what transwomen actually fear most is male violence, they do indeed have something more fundamental in common with the female half of the population than silky underwear, mascara and high heels.

Why not tackle the real transphobes at source and stop alienating potential allies by labelling and attacking us?

I wonder if that white woman - who was adamant that she is black - with her equally white husband ever did have a black baby?

She seemed convinced that a combination of sun beds, a special diet (lord knows what) and absolute belief And her baby would be born black.

Who is to say that she isn’t black?

Haha....that post is a mess. I think the jist is still clear

I saw a post somewhere saying that performance and presentation doesn't actually make you the thing you are creating with yourself.
This would mean Rachel Dolezal was actually black, because the presented and performed 'black woman'.
We all we are then left with is belief. Belief is not enough to make biology stop being real.

Great hashtag on a couple of the comments: #everyoneofyoucameoutofoneofus

*Correction to my previous post because I missed the crucial word ‘condemning’ out :
“.. no one here Is objecting to condemning actual transphobia....”

Can someone explain what is the objection to condemning transphobia?

Thinking about it honestly, do you think that when Ben rang all these Labour Party members (so traditionally left leaning types)

a) he was confronted by numerous people saying that they hate transgender people, that transgender people are sick and disgusting, that they all need a good beating and other

JudyCoolibar
Can someone explain what is the objection to condemning transphobia? I don't mean the MN interpretation of it, I mean actual transphobia.

Can you point out where you saw an objection to condemning actual dictionary defined transphobia? If you can then you should alert the post.

But I doubt if you can find any posts like that because no one here is objecting to actual transphobia. No one. The objection is to the crying of ‘transphobia’ to anything, everything, anyone, everyone that does not march in lockstep with TRA ideology or mindlessly mouth the mantra TWAW.

Oh and I'm not on Twitter anymore but would simply post this to those who likes to single out women and daren't challenge the bepenised:

For crying out loud

And the definition of 'transgender' while we're at it.

The Google dictionary - the one the kids use - says, 'denoting or relating to a person whose sense of personal identity and gender does not correspond with their birth sex.'

So, me then? If Mermaids defines a female as a jelly baby Barbie liking pink and glitter, then my 'sense' of personal ID and gender doesn't match my birth sex of female.

Can someone explain what is the objection to condemning transphobia? I don't mean the MN interpretation of it, I mean actual transphobia.

Perhaps it would be helpful for you to supply the actual definition of transphobia.

Also grateful to TheWordWoman for the link to the survey.

Lots of lovely free-text boxes to write comments in.

It was truly cathartic.

Can someone explain what is the objection to condemning transphobia?

It's a good question. In my mind, there is no question that we should condemn transphobia.

The problem is that 'transphobia' has become a catchall term to throw at anyone who doesn't agree with gender ideology extremists and transactivists. Or even those who are not sure, and can see merit on all sides of the debate, but can also see the bullying, the doxxing, and the actual - not literal - violence which has been meted out to women.

'Transphobia" has become the new "burn the witch" dogwhistle, directed particularly at feminists who understand the difference between sex and gender, and want to maintain women's rights to:

• define ourselves
• meet together without men
• keep ourselves safe
• offer single-sex spaces in the public sphere as sanctuary and for privacy and dignity

When I'm asked if I think that transwomen are women? I am genuinely torn in my answer. I'm torn between respecting the position of the transwomen I know as friends, and my knowledge of biology.

'Transphobia' as the term is now used, doesn't allow for feminists to acknowledge the gap between our personal experience (maybe of old-school 'transexuals') and our understanding of the broader social structures of patriarchy.

Or "doesn't recognise how speshul I am"

I am getting SO SICK of the definition of "transphobia" becoming "disagrees with me"

Can someone explain what is the objection to condemning transphobia?

Because 'transphobia' means refusing to support homophobia and the exclusion of female homosexuals who resist conversion therapy and pressure to offer straight sex to males; refusing to agree that females should be stripped of their sex based rights, the right to organise as a class, the right to be a class therefore removing their political rights; refusing to abandon childsafeguarding on the grounds that a rainbow flag changes normal policy and that female children's rights to be safe varies according to the subjective choices of male children; that totalitarianism and politicisation of the police is wrong..... you know, stuff like that.

The word is being used as a trojan horse, to get you to hurry to say 'of COURSE i'm not' without thinking what it is that they have coerced you into validating. This is the moment when the sweetie catcher's van drops its glittery rainbow sides and you see the bars around you.

Now, the word "transphobia" signals to me, and to most people, that a woman has said something true, factual or something that supports women.

YY, and the way the tweet is worded - that there a LOT (not my emphasis) of transphobes in the party - suggests that either LOTS of people are openly saying that they hate trans people and admitting to being discriminatory or attacking trans people... or that people think that humans can't change sex.

Can someone explain what is the objection to condemning transphobia?

No one objects to genuine transphobia, (no transperson should be attacked, denied a job, home, benefits etc)

But it's like that fable "The Boy who cried Wolf"
We've all heard the accusation "transphobe" thrown around frequently over the most innocuous situation, and above all else, women are frequently accused of being "transphobic" for supporting women. Supporting women's rights. Understanding human biology. Understanding facts.

Now, the word "transphobia" signals to me, and to most people, that a woman has said something true, factual or something that supports women.

It no longer means what it is supposed to mean.
Especially when coming from a Labour Party canvasser.

MN gets a mention on the twitter thread, apparently the ratio is all your fault. A thread started here an hour an a half ago managed to instigate a "pile on" which started on the twitter thread 14 hours ago. I'm in awe of you magical powers, how do you do it?

According to that particular Tweeter, MN posters are responsible for everything bad and global warming was directly caused by a pile on by Regan funded nuns, gin and a large cauldron. (In which FWR netters were cooking the magic chicken that feeds a family of nine for a year.)

It's all getting so obviously silly now that the desperation is plain. 'Transphobia' simply means 'has boundaries'. You can't stick most of the UK in gulags, Labour.