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Lgbt+ Labour husting live stream

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unwashedanddazed · 20/02/2020 20:00

The leadership candidates are about to speak at this event. Just watched the deputies and they all said the same thing from the same script.

Pink news are streaming and currently there's me and 56 others watching live online!

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unwashedanddazed · 21/02/2020 15:16

Keir Starmer knows full well what Helen Steel's views are. I've noticed she replies to any tweet he makes on the subject. She's always respectful but always forceful in defence of women and girls. No way he's been unaware and it must produce in him in some cognitive dissonance considering their history.

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R0wantrees · 21/02/2020 14:56

The twitter comment inked by moofolk refers to Manchester feminist group, 'Make More Noise'

"These are the worried voices of women who have spent time with post surgical, de-transitioned women in their early 20s. Note the abuse, hate & yells of transphobia from an audience who turns on them."

Account of the MMN meeting by Liv Bridge for Feminist Current:

'Detransitioners are living proof the practices surrounding ‘trans kids’ need be questioned
Detransitioners are living proof that the practices surrounding “trans youth” need be questioned, yet their experiences are too often ignored.'
(extract)
On November 30th, 2019, over 200 attendees packed inside a secret location in the centre of Manchester to attend the first-ever forum of its kind. The sold-out event, “Detransition: The Elephant in the Room,” signified the official launch of the The Detransition Advocacy Network (TDAN), and was organized by local independent feminist collective, Make More Noise, and Charlie Evans, a detransitioner and a co-founder of TDAN.

The event consisted of two panels: the first featured medical experts discussing their expertise and insight into gender reassignment services, and the second was made up of desisting young women who have been ostracized in this new age of blind gender ideology acceptance. (continues)

It is worth noting the bravery that young women — all between the ages of 19 and 29 — exhibited as they recalled their most intimate surgeries and brutal insecurities. Later, on Twitter, Evans disclosed that, of the seven women on the panel, there were five mastectomies, two hysterectomies, two oophorectomies (the removal of ovaries), and 20 years of testosterone combined.

So, why have so many young women been compelled to undergo such brutal surgeries?

One detransitioner, who goes by the name “Satan Herself” on Twitter, said that transitioning was a way to evade lesbophobia and her “reality as a homosexual woman.” Living as a “transman” for five years, she had never even considered the possibility she harboured internalized homophobia, as she was so supportive of LGBT rights. Yet she knew no lesbians and was starved of representation of masculine women. She said she couldn’t envision growing up into an adult lesbian woman, and immersed herself in transgender theory, which seemed the ideal way to “fix herself.”

Another detransitioner, Ellie, said that, at 15 years old, she too couldn’t picture herself as a homosexual adult female, so began her lengthy four-year transition journey one year later, with a mastectomy.

Thomasin began identifying between “male and various non-binary identities” at 14 years old, only desisting from treatment in May. She said social media and the online world functioned as a kind of escape route, especially since she saw no lesbian positivity or representation online or in real life.

Nele, who identified as trans for two years, argued that people aren’t just “born transgender for a magical reason,” but that it is “put on you by society.” She claimed that the contemporary trans movement masquerades as progressive while “reinforcing gender stereotypes” — a position shared by Bell, who said accepting the concept of gender identity without criticism can legitimize “a form of caricatured gender stereotypes.” Bell feels the outcome of trans ideology is a “movement that actually acts against the support of lesbian and gay people.”

Many also explained that they had pre-existing body issues, some manifesting in life-threatening eating disorders, alongside gender dysphoria.

Despite almost dying from anorexia, “Satan Herself” said she never linked hating her female body to her eating disorder or gender dysphoria. She never connected the dots between her fear of living as a female and her fear of living at a normal weight, both of which caused her to be dismissive of her health.

“I often wonder how nobody realized that? No therapist I saw; no doctor I talked to about getting surgery; no one in my personal life,” she said to a tear-choked room. “I just wish someone would have been there to tell me not to get castrated at 21…

… Just what the hell are surgeons doing?” (continues)
www.feministcurrent.com/2020/01/09/detransitioners-are-living-proof-the-practices-surrounding-trans-kids-need-be-questioned/

DuLANGMondeFOREVER · 21/02/2020 14:22

Tee hee. No wonder his eyes got so wide!

armchairactivists · 21/02/2020 13:54

Kier Starmer has been using Helen's name in his campaign. He gave her some legal advice for McLibel and he's obviously proud of this (or his team think it helps his credibility anyway).

Is he capable of listening to Helen's questions on women's rights?

GivesNoFox · 21/02/2020 13:08

I applaud the women speaking up👏👏👏

However I'm not going waste energy being disappointed by the rest of the event because I expected nothing different. Most LGBT+ events/ orgs are echo chambers and most politicians attend these events just to pay lip service to these echo chambers. Let them destroy themselves from the inside out, its time for women and grounded LGBT's to build something better.

Cascade220 · 21/02/2020 12:49

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NeurotrashWarrior · 21/02/2020 12:41

Helen steel Shock

Just as Helen Steel was being dragged from the audience by a male security person.

Question time will be interesting!

NeurotrashWarrior · 21/02/2020 12:39

Wow thanks for clarifying.

That footage! It's a hustings ffs!

Well done Moo and all the others!

AnotherNightWatering · 21/02/2020 11:16

You'd hope he'd be thinking "Bloody hell if my old friend Helen is supposedly the baddie, maybe I should think again?"
He's thinking, how can I get elected leader when so many of the Labour Party electorate for the leadership believe all this. Answer, say as little as possible.

10FrozenFingers · 21/02/2020 11:10

Well done, Moo!

andyoldlabour · 21/02/2020 11:09

"Tony Blair is an unexpected ally of women"

I think he is an opportunist and a war criminal. Not called "Teflon Tony" for no reason.

wrongsideofhistorymyarse · 21/02/2020 11:04

Well done Moo. You're a brave woman. Flowers

TinselAngel · 21/02/2020 10:55

He does know her, they worked on the Mclibel case together. What on earth must he be thinking?

You'd hope he'd be thinking "Bloody hell if my old friend Helen is supposedly the baddie, maybe I should think again?"

LauraMipsum · 21/02/2020 10:44

I think Nandy meant it sarcastically, as in "they complain debate is being shut down but they're positively disruptive so this is neither debate nor being shut down"

Datun · 21/02/2020 10:44

He does know her, they worked on the Mclibel case together. What on earth must he be thinking?

TinselAngel · 21/02/2020 10:40

Keir Starmer knows Helen Steel through McLibel, I think?

TabbyStar · 21/02/2020 10:11

I heard it too, I assumed Nandy meant debate was being shut down by women, but did she actually mean women were being shut down?

theflushedzebra · 21/02/2020 09:58

Nandy said it, Neurotrash.

Just as Helen Steel was being dragged from the audience by a male security person.

NeurotrashWarrior · 21/02/2020 09:41

@WrathofFaeKlopp

NeurotrashWarrior · 21/02/2020 09:40

Nandy or RLB (not sure which one) muttered under their breath, debate always being shut down.

Did one of them say this or is this your comment?

TinselAngel · 21/02/2020 09:38

I wish one of them had said "I've never been to Pride, I'm heterosexual."

EverardDigby · 21/02/2020 09:26

Talking about Ash Sarkar this seemed highly ironic

Lgbt+ Labour husting live stream
BritneyPeedOnALadybug · 21/02/2020 08:41

Labour, you keep cementing that the government is for Conservatives, not for you.

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