M&S are at it again. They're back to having "men" and "women" changing rooms, but...

So why has the DM run this story in the Femail section, I wonder? Does it not concern men and transmen more than it concerns women?

Why did they want to use the mens? Surely they needed non binary changing rooms.

1. Not a real man.
2. Not a real surname.

why use the male changing room

BECAUSE IT IS NEAR TO THE PRODUCT THEY WERE TRYING ON

bloody hell it REALLY isn't rocket science.

Doesn't anyone else think this is a joke? That woman looks female and is wearing clothes that many women wear. She's insisting that they should accept her in the male changing rooms just based on her say-so that she's non-binary.

I only wish I'd tried this all the times they've made me traipse to a different floor to try on a men's jumper - I'm tempted to, although I'm not sure it would do women's rights any favours to feed into the madness!

Corvidae is a cosmopolitan family of oscine passerine birds that contains the crows, ravens, rooks, jackdaws, jays, magpies, treepies, choughs, and nutcrackers

I knew that. I'm a big fan of members of the Corvidae family- very beautiful birds.

"Corbyn" is derived from corbeau. The average Corvidae is considerably brighter than Corbyn.

The corbie (raven) is the national bird of Scotland.

lord no, I'm not accusing you of having brain damage (that would imply permanent impairment) I just feel you have temporarily let the outrage take over and are flinging ridiculous objects out that aren't really based in fact.

It is perfectly fine to try on jumpers if you want to. Its also fine to try on men's jumpers while in possession of ovaries if you want to. If you do want to try on a mens jumper it would be more efficient to do so in the changing room located right next to the mens jumpers rather than traipsing from one end of the store to the other to try it on in the changing room next to the women's jumpers. In fact carting things to try on between floors is actively frowned upon in most stores.

So while the person in this story appears to have over reacted quite severly, not everything they did that is being painted as ridiculous by you is actually ridiculous at all.

Just saw a thread on twitter. Even a particular lawyer said it was ‘Bonkers’.

Now I’m more confused.

Why choose the male room when they look like a woman and don’t say they ‘feel male’
Why cry and say they aren’t a female?
Why keep crying even when they got home?
What do they want M&S to do exactly?
What about men who don’t really want a females in the changing rooms with them stripping off to their bra to try on some jumpers?

... mainly used by customers of that gender...

You're allowed to say sex, M&S. Show us on the doll where Victorian English hurt you.

Doesn't anyone else think this is a joke? That woman looks female and is wearing clothes that many women wear. She's insisting that they should accept her in the male changing rooms just based on her say-so that she's non-binary.

I'd be very surprised if this wasn't someone testing M&S for their wokeness and absolute stupidity.

'I still feel scared to shop at Marks and Spencer in case it happens again elsewhere or if I have to deal with that same person again.'

What about those who will be scared (for justifiable reasons like previous sexual assault) to try on clothes in M&S knowing a bloke could waltz in at any moment?

And how the fuck is it the staff members fault? Poor thing, I imagine she's getting a bollocking and a disciplinary as we type.

Corvidae is a cosmopolitan family of oscine passerine birds that contains the crows, ravens, rooks, jackdaws, jays, magpies, treepies, choughs, and nutcrackers.
(ducks out again)

Are you being duck-exclusionary?
What if the duck identifies as a magpie?

I just hold it up against myself to see if it will fit - wouldn’t go into a changing room. And please don’t accuse me of having brain damage.

Thank you SerendipityJane, I was aware what that word denoted. I was hinting that this person is bogus. Their name, their presentation and their “gender identity” and very probably the events they are describing. Still, it’s all sunlight, innit

Is there something wrong with trying on jumpers? I think you've let the froth take over your brain....

Ah yes - the photo explains it all (not).

And I quote...” 'I was utterly shocked and the only thing I could think of to say was "I'm not female" to which she looked me up and down, apologised and walked off.

'I felt sick, like I was being accused of some kind of crime just for trying on clothes. Afterwards, I went home and cried. I have never been accosted like that in a store before.”

Who the hell tried on jumpers? And I’ve got news for you luvvie - a man’s shirt isn’t going to fit properly over your boobs.

beachy amen to that.

Surely Myla was having a laugh? Or proving a point? is Myla in fact one of us?
Also, why is Myla frightened of going into M& S again if the worry is that this might happen elsewhere? How can Myla's refusal to go into M& S affect what happens to Myla when not in M&S?

But if that person thinks they are not male or female then why did they cry when first refused to be allowed into the male changing rooms? I thought they wouldn’t have wanted to go in either of them if they are non-binary or am I missing the point?

Maybe this person identified as Non-Binary trans masculine?
Denying them access to the men's changing room might feel like this identity was being invalidated? Or alternatively by suggesting that a female person should use the female changing room this would invalidate their identity of being non-binary rather than a woman?

Its very difficult to make sense of.

They wanted to use the men's changing room & were told not to.
They were very upset, so upset they complained loudly and so M&S apologised.

Just provide changing rooms with a proper door and let anyone go in who is trying on clothes. It's not fair on the shop assistants to have to work out who is who!

I thought transgender was the 'umbrella' term and non-binary was the specific.

Like saying you are a homosexual lesbian...

Wait! I’ve just started to read the article - and I have a question please...

How can you be transgender and non binary at the same time (or is it in turns?). I think ‘they’ are taking the piss...

“Corvidae” eh?

I'll duck in to mention that's the scientific name for the biological classification:

Corvidae is a cosmopolitan family of oscine passerine birds that contains the crows, ravens, rooks, jackdaws, jays, magpies, treepies, choughs, and nutcrackers.

(ducks out again)

I mean I'm not a member of the sowokemybrainshavemelted gang, but it would be kinda nuts to have to take the clothes you are trying on half way across the store, up the escalator and back across the store right?

This does seem to me to be a reasonable explanation for someone who identifies as non-binary and trying on mens clothes to use the men's changing rooms?