M&S are at it again. They're back to having "men" and "women" changing rooms, but...

M3lon

I don't want to be forced to use the men's changing room just because I am trying on men's clothes!

I like sex separation please.

*Changing rooms - meh. Just put proper cubicles in and this whole shit show just evaporates!

Sadly not. It gives men unrestricted access to place hidden cameras*

Quite honestly if any man’s perverted enough to want to film my aged body he can fill his boots.

Not that I’d go into a changing room to try on a jumper anyway, what’s the point?

For crying out loud
1727 (vs 7)

Labour don't need a survey to see why they lost the election - this explains it all...

Oh good grief some people make themselves very hard work. And struggle with the idea that not everything is all about them, and not everyone on the planet is going to bend around their personal sense of self identity and prioritise them at all times. And that other people have rights too .

If you put willies and vags on the doors you'll swiftly end up with some numpty wanting to tell you about their very large clit or outie vag, or innie willie, in the misguided belief that your life isn't too short for this and that no one else cares, they just want to be able to use a changing room that doesn't have the opposite sex in it.

Going to pinch sowokemybrainisfallingout
Might even try a name change

thatwould there is no conceivable set up that would actually prevent that from happening though! I mean cameras can also be hidden in the current changing rooms....its not like they are guarded 24/7 even when they ARE supposed to be single sex.

So, yes, cubicles really do resolve all the shit show that can possibly resolved will the space remains open to the public.

"for crying out loud" is a great comment, because if you ARE a member of the sowokemybrainisfallingout gang then you assume it means 'for crying out load M&S, why are you so stuck in the last century' while everyone else is assuming it means 'for crying out loud the assistant even apologised to you on the spot how are going to cope when somethiing actually bad happens in your life'

I wonder which it really was....

Changing rooms - meh. Just put proper cubicles in and this whole shit show just evaporates!

Sadly not. It gives men unrestricted access to place hidden cameras.

I thought Primark changing rooms were unisex these days?

(Unless you're a boring old female woman in which case you can go and entirely fuck yourself, despite being about 90% of the customer base.)

Perhaps we should just flash our bits on the way in!!

And to mention, Primark's fitting rooms in this store are on each floor and there is different floors for mens and females clothes.

This article is a timely reminder that yesterday I was in Primark sitting on a bench outside my daughter's changing cubicle (just a curtain) and a young male came and sat beside me waiting for his female friend to come out and show him the clothes she wanted to buy. I am assuming sexes here, I tried not to stare and I could have been wrong about gender presentation. But my point stands either way.

I have written to management about this today and called the store for clarification on their policy. Apparently, there is a disable lockable cubicle available for anyone uncomfortable with the policy. Of course, I mentioned that disabled people should not lose access to the space that they need and the need for fully lockable doors in the main area.

I also mentioned that I saw nowhere a sign that it was mixed sex and was told there was a small sign in the cubicle. I pointed out the woman beside my daughter obviously had no idea that a man could be sitting directly in front as her curtain had not been pulled closed on either side and maybe she did not read the sign.

The manager was happy to take my complaint and gave me the admin email for complaints for head office. However, I am pretty unhappy about this to be honest.

To me, it is evidence that they have implemented mixed sex spaces without adequately addressing the privacy or safety issues for customers in the rush to be inclusive.

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I looked at the photos of them.
They look pretty similar to me: but a bit younger jeans, trainers,jumper, medium length hair and a reasonable sized bust sorry chest

So how can you tell if that female bodied transgender non-binery IS what ever they say they are.

They might think they should be in the men's.
Me, looking the same, think I should be in the women's.

What exactly is transgender non-binery anyway. A female bodied person who identifies as .....

Isn’t just one comment a bit unusual?

If someone presenting as male is approaching the changing rooms near the women's clothes with men's clothes to try on then something very odd has happened.

If someone presenting as male is approaching the womens changing room with a bundle of bras to try on then I guess M&S policy is to let them get on with it.

To be honest its not making things much better to send them to the mens changing rooms wiht the bras either!

Nah - just put in cubicles and everyone can get on with their day! That HAS to be the solution...

For crying out loud.

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The whole non-binary movement seems to be ordinary middle class people, often in the arts, pretending to be special ,very, very special.

Then claiming attention by abusing and humiliating service and front-line staff doing a valuable job on low wages, by claiming they are transphobic and intoletant for not noticing or caring about their inner gender essence.

Pretty disgusting really.

If you accept that someone can be 'non-binary', then presumably they are transgender because they've trans'd away from being a man or woman into being NB, though they are still biologically male or female.

Is this correct?

Now the lawyer is chipping in Pro-Moonie (on twitter naughty step for a misgendering incident apparently). This isn’t normal is it?

But would that also mean if they saw this person heading off to the ladies changing rooms they would be turned away or questioned? You see it’s really not straightforward and I feel sorry for staff these days having to be very careful.

But how does an assistant spot the non binary person - and do they automatically get allowed into the opposite sex changing rooms

Exactly - if no-one is allowed to be objective about sex, there's no way to challenge anyone.

Everything is being 'queered', all boundaries are being broken down in the name of progress and soon there will be no way to enforce any sex-based rights as the term 'sex' has no objective meaning any more.

Having non-sex segregated prisons is a massive issue in my book. Everyone in prison should be safe and that can't happen if you let women share cells with rapists of women.

Changing rooms - meh. Just put proper cubicles in and this whole shit show just evaporates!

But how does an assistant spot the non binary person - and do they automatically get allowed into the opposite sex changing rooms (assuming their was a men’s changing room)?

They don't, the point is to remove all gatekeepers.

I think all of this plays nicely into the narrative that shops should not be required to have fitting rooms at all. NEXT (for example) is already doing this - they don't offer any facilities to try clothes on in some of their shops, and instead advertise a US-style "no questions asked" return policy. Since we're moving toward everyone buying everything on line - why bother about fitting-room drama?

I would think a useful rule of thumb for sales assistants would be to see if they a trying on men's clothes...if so, allow into men's changing rooms.

I also wonder about the 'looked me up and down' bit. I mean, that's pretty uncalled for.

I misgendered a student last year and they said 'actually I'm non-binary and use they/them' . I said 'I'm sorry, I will use that in future'.

They didn't cry, go home and cry, or complain to the university or the DM.

But then I didn't look them up and down to check if I agreed with them before apologizing either.....