M&S are at it again. They're back to having "men" and "women" changing rooms, but...

DandelionsAreNotLions made an important point upthread:

The whole non-binary movement seems to be ordinary middle class people, often in the arts, pretending to be special ,very, very special. Then claiming attention by abusing and humiliating service and front-line staff doing a valuable job on low wages, by claiming they are transphobic and intolerant for not noticing or caring about their inner gender essence.
Pretty disgusting really

M & S have taken the Stonewall £££££££ and I suspect that the rights of their staff will come a poor second to the approval of Stonewall et al.

Non-Binary may mean neither male or female or both male & female or sometimes male & other times female.
Its essentially an 'access all areas' VIP pass.

Indeed. I often wondered why TRAs pushed the non-binary narrative so much when it didn't seem to apply to them.

But it would appear to be so that a man who looks exactly like a man, can still access female changing rooms. Or can cross dress at weekends, and wear a man's suit to work during the week, blithely switching from one to the other with no explanation necessary.

Access all areas, at any time, on a whim.

It is a good comment. Heartfelt.

I feel sorry for the staff stuck in the changing rooms. They always seem to be there alone, if at all these days. Not a good position to be in.

Was it someone on here that wrote that?

‘For crying out loud’ 😅

Now beyond 2000 upvotes and still the only comment. Not surprised, it says it all and cannot be bettered.

Took a little screenshot to commemorate the moment.

Im worse - I’m an older female so when I’m not being invisible, I’m pretty certain my saggy wobbly bits would definitely scare the horses and make the delicate youths cry. And I really don’t care.

I am a female and i would like to only share changing rooms and toilets with others that were born female. It might traumatise some people but i really really give up caring. Nobody gives a stuff about us females so i refuse to give a stuff about who i traumatise anymore

If they’re non binary why are they so concerned about which binary changing room they go to?

I don’t want some creepy bloke perving at next.

What if he was into older ladies and wanted to letch at my (late) mum and stick film up on the Internet? She would probably castrate him with her walking stick but still...

1867 likes on your comment now!

Totally agree with you.

I love M&S.
Their cauliflower cheese is heavenly.😁

Quite honestly if any man’s perverted enough to want to film my aged body he can fill his boots.

Good for you I and plenty of other women don't.

Lordfrontpaw absolutely nothing .....

What exactly is transgender non-binery anyway

How very dare you ask? They are speshul.

I mean cameras can also be hidden in the current changing rooms....its not like they are guarded 24/7 even when they ARE supposed to be single sex.

I'm very aware of that, I used to work in retail. It's about lessening the opportunities for creeps to place a camera, he'd be chancing drawing attention to himself if he was in the women's changing rooms.

Looking into this some more, it looks like the story originates from swns.com/, judging by the mark on the photos.

I'm thinking this is a story that Myra got paid for indirectly by swns, perhaps. The fault with the whole thing is that M&S gave such a woke reply!

Primark - The one next to me is always full of gangs of young women and teenagers trying on clothes in the changing rooms. Unisex changing rooms. What could go wrong?

How can you be both transgender and non-binary??

I have concluded that this definition is the result of a regretted sex-change. I met someone once who went to all the trouble of changing from girl to boy, to then deciding they had to be called "they", as though they didn't want to be a boy either.

In Primark, we went in and out of changing rooms a number of times over different floors. And twice there were teenagers coming out getting friends opinions and were sometimes only wearing a bra and jeans. I doubt they realised that men were allowed in the changing rooms.

They don’t care!

Last time I was in TK Max I had to try on a dress (in the woman’s changing rooms) and although it was cubicles (gaps top and bottom) there was a man standing halfway down with a woman who kept popping out for his opinion on her clothes. It wasn’t great because the only way you can see yourself decently is to step out into the corridor to check the long mirrors.

3 staff (2 women one trans woman) just stood at the entrance chatting.

But if she’s non-binary why did she need to use the men’s changing rooms? Surely she is aware of the reality that she is and looks like a woman to the general population, whether she agrees with that reality or not? So she would have a much more pleasant shopping experience if she just used the changing rooms that accord with her actual body. But of course then she wouldn’t get half as much attention would she?

‘For crying out loud’ 😂😂 god I love to know who that is!

I think this woman looks like soooo many other women I know. Honestly why did she feel she needed to go in the menz?

Attention seeker.

Are we going to get non binary changing rooms as how the fuck are we going to accommodate people who don’t know which arc they are? If they don’t know how are we?

I think all of this plays nicely into the narrative that shops should not be required to have fitting rooms at all. NEXT (for example) is already doing this - they don't offer any facilities to try clothes on in some of their shops, and instead advertise a US-style "no questions asked" return policy. Since we're moving toward everyone buying everything on line - why bother about fitting-room drama?

Yes. I think eventually this is what will happen. M&S have already closed many stores. My local one went last year after over a century of trading. Allegedly they are winding down the clothes side of things to focus on the out of town food halls.

Lordfrontpaw

Primark fitting rooms are mixed sex. However, our local store is still curtains and not doors. As I mentioned, the woman in the cubicle directly in front of where this man sat had gaps either side (as well as to the floor) because she had not closed the curtain properly. Maybe she had no worries about privacy, but if I could see her (and I saw glimpses of her changing when I looked up) then he certainly could before I closed the gaps for her.