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M&S are at it again. They're back to having "men" and "women" changing rooms, but...

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BuzzShitbagBobbly · 20/02/2020 13:33

Scenario: Woman tries to use Male changing rooms. Turned away.
Woman is "non binary" (photos suggest this means jeans and jumper, not name, haircut etc)

Wokeycokey M&S then falls over itself to acknowledge this and rushes out an apology completely contradicting its store staff:
"'The fitting rooms are located within our womenswear and menswear departments and therefore are mainly used by customers of that gender, however, as an inclusive retailer and in line with most other retailers, we allow customers the choice of fitting room in respect of how they identify themselves."

Make up your bloody minds M&S.

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-8024395/M-S-apologises-non-binary-transgender-shopper-asked-leave-mens-changing-room.html?fbclid=IwAR2BKpWG0P9QaRowYh2hyOR4q8Ny-pTByRSC0z5yMGptIdbxAZTxC_K3B0U

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T0tallyFuckedUpFamily · 20/02/2020 22:25

I don’t actually care if this female bodied person was being used by the TRAs. No one forced this person and if the attention they got wasn’t one they expected, then they’ve just discovered that the majority of people don’t actually think they’re special and just maybe they’ll spend less time looking at their navel and grow up.

Languishingfemale · 20/02/2020 22:23

Another customer not returning - they've even sent me some 20% off vouchers despite all the cancelling of accounts. Into the bin they went.

TheOrigBrave · 20/02/2020 22:06

3169 Grin

BritneyPeedOnALadybug · 20/02/2020 21:55

@DorkingMum My first thought was that they were doing it to prove how ridiculous the new policy from M&S is but upon reading more it didn’t sound like they were doing it to prove a point.

Unsure of how this would be used by TRA’s though as it’s really not a good argument in this person’s favour and sounds as ridiculous as it does when it’s heard from the opposite direction.

LangittleClegabbage · 20/02/2020 21:06

Errrrr, yep....... still going to continue my M&S boycott based on this new ridiculousness.

WomaninBoots · 20/02/2020 20:59

I'm just enjoying the single comment with over 3000 upvotes at this point.

HandsOffMyRights · 20/02/2020 20:35

I once got mistaken in Tesco for a small boy. I was wearing my 8 year old son's navy cagoule at the time, so technically gender fluid.

I should have complained and told them I was in fact a 40 year old mother of two. I might have bagged a free aubergine.

GCAcademic · 20/02/2020 19:50

I feel so sorry for that poor changing room assistant. First to have to deal with the gaslighting, then to have a complaint made, and then the complaint splashed all over the Daily Fucking Mail just because she didn’t realise that she was supposed to admire the emperor’s new clothes. Some people really do just think that everyone else was put on this earth for the sole function of validating them.

HorseFlyOfExtraordinaryLength · 20/02/2020 19:27

I wonder if M&S changing rooms give off some kind of ray or aura or summat and you begin to identify as the gender implied by the label on the changing room.
So, mid store you would lose your gender and become non binary but gravitate toward the men's changing room and you would feel male?

Lordfrontpaw · 20/02/2020 18:57

DorkingMum - true - I have seen a few following the same playbook moves (usually male bodied person being asked what’s studded down their bra at airports or not being able to use voice recognition software). They do usually add some element of being traumatised and hysterical though.

SchadenfreudePersonified · 20/02/2020 18:55

May the Force be with you. sewingsinger

AnotherNightWatering · 20/02/2020 18:52

I think she must have sold the story here, not realising how big it would get?
swns.com/sell-content/

sewingsinger · 20/02/2020 18:51

Thanks Schaden, I had a feeling that was the case, I can definitely feel a trip to the mens changing room in M&S coming on! I did ask about this in M&S last year when it all came out and was told than anyone can use any changing room.

DorkingMum · 20/02/2020 18:51

Lordfrontpaw- age is irrelevant if Myla has SEN issues or learning difficulties for example. I’m thinking of a Susan Boyle type situation where some people accused the media of abusing her for their own gain.

I just think this story doesn’t really add up - e.g. all the crying/being traumatised - it feels like something a PR person would brief someone to say.

AnotherNightWatering · 20/02/2020 18:47

She has protected her tweets now, which is very wise.

SchadenfreudePersonified · 20/02/2020 18:41

I thought that M&S had said that anyone can use any changing room - so what's the issue here

You are quite right sewingsinger anyone can use any changing room as long as they are men wanting to use women's changing rooms.

I hope that clears up any confusion.

DuLANGMondeFOREVER · 20/02/2020 18:38

The only way I can rationalise those is ‘people who try on men’s clothes use the male changing room’ and vice versa

Which is clearly the most regressive stereotypical bullshit ever.

NotAGirl · 20/02/2020 18:32

DandelionsAreNotLions

Re 'special' middle class people abusing those working in service roles - absolutely!

justasking111 · 20/02/2020 18:28

@DorkingMum you make a good point, they may well be using a vulnerable adult to advance their agenda.

Lordfrontpaw · 20/02/2020 18:26

They probably did t expect ‘women’ to try to use the one in the men’s section. They were probably expecting more of the other way traffic.

Evenquieterlife33 · 20/02/2020 18:26

”I was utterly shocked and the only thing I could think of to say was "I'm not female" to which she looked me up and down, apologised and walked off.”
“I’m not female” ?? This is just ridiculous. This female person is clearly and actually female no matter if they are transgender or non-binary or whatever. I find it fascinating in one way but then another part of me just thinks - sod off.

sewingsinger · 20/02/2020 18:23

I don't understand this at all. I thought that M&S had said that anyone can use any changing room - so what's the issue here?

Lordfrontpaw · 20/02/2020 18:21

Myla says they are 30 so hardly a poor wee naive kid.

DorkingMum · 20/02/2020 18:17

You know, there is something about this story that worries me. I wonder if Myla is being 'used' by the TRAs as a front for a story. Perhaps this happened and she told someone, but then it was picked up and promoted without her really understanding what the implications would be?
The reason I say this is because she has not taken any steps to protect herself from the inevitable attention and backlash this story mignt generate.
A quick google gets you to all her social media accounts where she identifies as an introvert and also dyslexic. Her educational background does not seem extensive (on her blog she says she has no formal qualifications) and I do wonder whether she really understands what she is getting herself into with this story?

To give her the benefit of the doubt, I do wonder if she is being used as a pawn in someone else's game?

(Anyone read "Middle England" by Jonathan Coe? Similar type of story in there...)

justasking111 · 20/02/2020 18:13

The only reason I would not use a mens changing room is because you can bet a pound to a penny, men fart loud and long in them when changing.