Harry Miller My fight against the police

Mrs B's diatribe makes it all too clear why the Judge wrote that her complaint was "at the outer margin of rationality". It's quite entertaining in its own way.

Interesting that the interviewer includes
ALL THOSE CAPITALS. It's not what you'd normally do when writing up an interview. I'm left wondering if Stephanie Hayden added them or if it wasn't actually an interview at all, but was generated by Mrs B.

You think they’ll appeal?

Did you think they would "check his thinking"?

Do the police's actions make any sense thus far?

There would be a justifiable outcry if the police spent taxpayer money on appealing.

Mrs B seems to be very au fait with procedure. They say they intend to raise the matter with the Judicial Conduct Investigations Office.

You think they’ll appeal? 😄

I think so, but I'm not sure. Besides, what happens if the police appeal?

Wasn’t Harry awarded costs?

The Grimsby article mentioned the cost of the trial. Does Harry need any diggers?

The judicial cat article sounds like sour grapes to me. That and unable to see the alternative opinion. Also, no evidence to support some of the statements that are presented as fact.

Strewth that thing by Mrs B. Little wonder the judge said they were on the outer margins of rationality. A load of old hogwash.

Although, I must say, I did particularly like the 'common, garden bully'. Conjured up images of Harry calling the daffodils names.

Harry is great and as an ex-copper it is hard for the police to dismiss him, I bet there are plenty of serving officiers cheering him kn as they are tired of this bullshit.

I don’t think the editor of the judicial cat blog is very good at editing, the ‘Mrs B’ thing is virtually unreadable!

Unlike Harry’s piece in the Speccie, which is excellent.

Some weird semantic merailing on this thread though.

Wow. That piece is .... somewhat unusual .
What is it that the wonderful Maya Angelou said: When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time
Methinks the learned judge had it spot on..

Well Mrs B seems a bit aerated

And what's his criminal record for if he's never been arrested or charged with an offence?

From the article, Mr Miller's comments were recorded by Humberside Police as a "non-crime hate incident". This would have shown up on his DBS enhanced check.

Here's the relevant paragraph:

"Humberside’s decision to turn up at my office and record my comments online as a ‘non-crime hate incident’ were, they said, a ‘necessary intervention’ designed to prevent my behaviour escalating to criminality. In the lengthy correspondence between our lawyers, the only example of potential escalation they could think of was the murder of Stephen Lawrence."

This is significant as a recent article in the Telegraph shows. It reported that
"Police have recorded nearly 120,000 “non-crime” hate incidents and may have stopped those accused from getting jobs".

did Humberside police take him to court, or did he take them to court to contest the recording of a "non crime hate incident?

Harry Miller took the case to the High Court by way of judicial review.

Given the chilling way in which he was treated and the deadening effect such an entry on any DBS check would have had on him, he was really left with no choice. I, for one, am very glad he did.

Meanwhile, it begs the question. While the police are busily forging ahead with investigating and recording 120,000 "non crime hate incidents" whenever anyone dares to exercise free speech within the law, who is actually available to patrol the streets or investigate knife crime, rape, burglaries...

Can someone explain as it's not clear in the article: did Humberside police take him to court, or did he take them to court to contest the recording of a "non crime hate incident?

And what's his criminal record for if he's never been arrested or charged with an offence?

Thanks

I think it is very interesting that you feel compelled to deny that what Harry Miller suffered was an ordeal. By comparing it to suffragettes being force fed. Last century. This is an attempt to minimise and distract from the seriousness of Harry's case. I wonder what your motive is?

Because everyone has a motive, right ?

Assume what you want about my peculiar view of language. While you are, I will repost what I said previously that "I am not condoning nor impressed with what happened to HtO". Because it's true. I may not be doing it to the semantic standards that appear to have been agreed when I was getting a coffee. But I'm sure when that memo gets to me, I'll be able to use the appropriate language. Which as we know appears to be more important with each passing day ....

Harry's Spectator article is very good. Mrs B's rant, on the other hand ... Words fail me but I was strongly reminded of the Judge's comments regarding reactions "at the outer margin of rationality".

I’m afraid it’s all too obvious what her motive is.

That's an interesting non sequitur and a blatant attempt to divert this discussion. Ice and a slice with your bait and switch?

Shrug ... whatevers. Using the same word in different contexts bestows an equality upon the meaning which I don't feel is justified in this case. The suffragettes could be said to have had an "ordeal" when being force fed in prison which doesn't equate with HtOs postion. Even it it was being force fed an ideology.

That's my view, for what little it's worth. You are of course free to block me and move on. Or rather you would be if MN felt it appropriate.

For anyone questioning the use of the word "ordeal", I'd recommend reading this:

www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/news/grimsby-news/humberside-police-tweets-transgender-reaction-3857444