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Shaking after explaining why I couldn’t vote Lib Dem to a canvasser

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moggiemonster · 19/02/2020 11:06

Not entirely sure what advice I am after. I have been lurking on this board and commenting infrequently. Have local elections coming up (we are a very blue area) and Lib Dem male canvassers knocked. Politely told him I could not support the candidate and was asked why. Explained about changes to GRA, self-I’d and spousal ‘veto’. He was very polite, very incredulous that this was sole reaction I couldn’t support them even on a local level.

I was actually shaking as I spoke to him. Was so worried I would be seen as a bigot and was made to feel that actually self-id wasn’t a big deal. Probably felt vulnerable as was discussing on my doorstep. Would it have been better just to have shut the door?

How do I get my view across without being made to fell stupid and a bigot? I am all for accepting those who go through the process but not the idea of there being no distinction between the sexes so no boundaries.

Sorry, I feel very isolated with this topic, friends ignore it or tell me I should be accepting as there are no need for different categories based on sex. My family just think I am over-reacting.

Doubt I will see hide or hair of Labour canvassers.

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RoyalCorgi · 19/02/2020 12:01

Also: next time ask him to listen to Jo Swinson's lamentable interview on the Today programme if he wants to understand why this is such a disaster of a policy for the Lib Dems to adopt.

HermioneWeasley · 19/02/2020 11:59

Well done. It’s important that they know this matters to voters.

beautifulwhiskers · 19/02/2020 11:57

Well done! It's actions like these that will make a difference in the end. It is scary that just speaking common sense can be so frightening, but the fact that you've done it might also inspire someone else on here to speak up too

Totally right.

PerfectParrot · 19/02/2020 11:54

The recent political changes and Harry Miller winning his case have both made it so much easier to speak out, but it's still scary. Well done for actually speaking up to a stranger - I've only been brave enough to broach the subject with a small number of friends and using anonymous online accounts.

Lordfrontpaw · 19/02/2020 11:52

Not a bigot though. When did black become white, up became down...?

DuLANGMondeFOREVER · 19/02/2020 11:49

Congratulations! The first time is the hardest.

Yesterday I told Barbara Keeley MP that penises don’t belong in women’s prisons and now I want to shout it from the roof tops.

Who cares if he thinks you are a bigot? If he does, he must be a non-rational unthinking misogynist and not at all liberal.

Lordfrontpaw · 19/02/2020 11:48

You just need to channel your inner toddler

How?
But how?
Please explain - how?
But why?
How?
You aren’t telling me right!

HumphreyCobblers · 19/02/2020 11:47

I met a “but trans women ARE women” repeating robot at a party the other day. To all my questions she just repeated that statement in a kind of wide eyed why are you being so nasty tone of voice. It made me so cross I too shook with rage and incredulity.

beautifulwhiskers · 19/02/2020 11:46

friends ignore and tell me I should be more accepting

What is tolerant, understanding and 'accepting' about ignoring you and not allowing you your own opinion?

The hypocrisy of the joke called Woke.

senua · 19/02/2020 11:45

No party has a right to your vote, they have to earn your support. It's not for you to justify yourself to them. If it's a concern to you then it's a concern for you; they can't tell you what's important and what's not.

Newuser123123 · 19/02/2020 11:41

Well done, it's hard because women are socialised to be non-confrontational. But you will have given him pause for thought x

NotAssigned · 19/02/2020 11:39

Well done.

Sometimes a good tactic in such situations is to ask questions instead of laying ones own cards on the table.

So for example - "I understand the Lib Dems support gender self ID. My daughter is an athlete - does your policy mean male born athletes will be able to compete against her if they identify as female?" "Do you personally think this is fair?"

Etc etc

Ereshkigalangcleg · 19/02/2020 11:38

Well done! I live for the day one of them turns up on my doorstep. But they never do Sad

Redshoeblueshoe · 19/02/2020 11:35

Well done. My MP is full on TWAW, I don't think I could have a rational discussion with her, as I'm so beyond being kind
My rights are not hers to give away

EverardDigby · 19/02/2020 11:28

Well done! It's actions like these that will make a difference in the end. It is scary that just speaking common sense can be so frightening, but the fact that you've done it might also inspire someone else on here to speak up too.

Xanthangum · 19/02/2020 11:21

Lib dem, Green and Labour TRA-siders are forceful but few. This issue just doesn't resonate for most party activists - if it has hit their radar it's usually nothing more than 'be kind to all minorities, especially LGBTQ'

The hardcore faithful truly believe not just that they dont want TERF votes or TRF party members, but they would like to see TERFs dead. Honestly.

I think Labour's current situation with that trans pledge is making 'ordinary' doorstep knockers question the ideology. So while it may have been really unpleasant for you, do consider that these responses do get fed back and accumulate.

Doesn't always change the policy, but it can help shed sunlight, especially if you communicate that you would otherwise have supported them, or indeed have in the past.

Lordfrontpaw · 19/02/2020 11:14

If he was surprised maybe it was his first day on the job. Hopefully he will hear it often enough from the horses mouth to begin to realise who is saying this and who is saying the other side.

Lottapianos · 19/02/2020 11:12

Well it's an emotional topic which has enormous repercussions for the safety of women and children. It's very difficult, and very brave, to talk about something like this to someone who cant or wont hear you. So many people just dont give a shit about women - really, truly do not care - and that is a very hard thing to stay calm about.

Well done for speaking up. I think a lot of us are sick to the back teeth of being nice, making room, not making a fuss, and we stand with you

Did you have any sense at all that you opened the Lib Dem bloke's eyes to the madness?