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Dr James Barry was trans, apparently

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RoyalCorgi · 19/02/2020 08:44

For a taste of woke stupidity in full flow, read this thread:

twitter.com/RTEOne/status/1228673565324505089

Lots of TRAs angry at a television channel referring to pioneering surgeon James Barry as a woman. Even though she was, you know, a woman.

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Lordfrontpaw · 19/02/2020 09:35

Any yes when I see a trans woman advertising a woman’s cosmetic product on TV we are to say ‘there’s a woman!’. But a woman who has jumped gender stereotypes is historically transed?

How does that work?

RufustheLanglovingreindeer · 19/02/2020 09:30

I agree with all of you

It’s ridiculous, I don’t understand how the complete rewriting of women’s achievements has managed to get this far

NearlyGranny · 19/02/2020 09:21

Wow, misgendering and deadnaming are terms being bandied about in that thread. All our strong, brave, risk-taking, pioneer women being erased by a re-writing of history...

Lordfrontpaw · 19/02/2020 09:12

It’s because they are pretty ignorant - they don’t understand history or sociology. Their little imaginations can’t see beyond their one track minds and they absolutely lack empathy and understanding. It’s all memememememe.

A bit like a teenager discovering sex for the first time.

BovaryX · 19/02/2020 09:11

You're right, BovaryX - it is chilling. Under normal circumstances, this display of stupidity would just be very funny. But now, as you say, Dr Selina Todd has to have bodyguards because of this stuff. It's like Galileo's battle with the church brought up to date for the modern age

Sadly, I think that is a good analogy. Both Harry Miller and Douglas Murray have spoken about the disproportionate responsibility they feel to speak out because many people do not have the luxury to do so. It is really shocking that an atmosphere of totalitarian intimidation has advanced so quickly in Western democracies in the 21st century. We live in bizarre times.

Doyoumind · 19/02/2020 09:10

It makes me so angry that they appropriate historical figures. No understanding whatsoever of why a woman might have to pretend to be a man in order to succeed. They can't see beyond their own extremely limited experience of the world and realise women didn't have the same opportunities then. So utterly sexist.

FrogsFrogs · 19/02/2020 09:01

So if as they argue this person was a man

There's no story and nothing to discuss

And no one ever hears about what they did

I find it interesting that they say any female who stepped out of the intensely restrictive roles of the time, in either dress or behaviour, was really a man.

This means that no women has ever struggled against restrictive sexist norms, ever. That women were happy corseted, barred from certain jobs etc etc

The sexism in this movement is front and centre it really is.

RoyalCorgi · 19/02/2020 08:59

You're right, BovaryX - it is chilling. Under normal circumstances, this display of stupidity would just be very funny. But now, as you say, Dr Selina Todd has to have bodyguards because of this stuff. It's like Galileo's battle with the church brought up to date for the modern age.

And Aroundtheworld hits the nail on the head - Dr James Barry would have been vilified as a woman whether she thought of herself as really a man or not.

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Lordfrontpaw · 19/02/2020 08:58

Oh dear. Some fritter people have missed their nap time. Are we not allowed to call any woman and woman these days - is that the goal?

I’m sure as a doctor she was well aware what sex she was. Someone on twitter also mentioned she had given birth - so there’s another clue.

OkMaybeNot · 19/02/2020 08:58

We all know women were incapable of being doctors, surgeons or military personnel, so if a biological women happened to join any of these careers it must have meant they were simply male.

And we're the ones erasing history.

Aroundtheworldin80moves · 19/02/2020 08:55

History is full of women who had to pretend to be men to gain their dreams... And who opened doors to allow women to be women and achieve the same dreams.

She was a brave woman... If she was found out they wouldn't have cared if she had gender dysphoria or was just pretending to be a man. She would have been vilified just the same.

BovaryX · 19/02/2020 08:51

RoyalCorgi
Thank you for posting this. It's actually quite chilling. Professor Selina Todd requires bodyguards because trans activists don't like her historical research conclusions. Namely that women living in the 19th century disguised themselves as men either to pursue a career which was barred to women or because they were lesbians or because disguising themselves as men protected them from the violence and discrimination widespread in a patriarchal century. Those conclusions are not acceptable to the new totalitarians. Academic research is one of their targets.

MermaidUnicorn · 19/02/2020 08:50

So was Joan of Arc apparently Hmm
I've decided that once the super woke get on to Dr Stephen Ward, they'll decide that he was trans as well...

Whatsbrownandsticky · 19/02/2020 08:48

Show them Mulan, that's the same story but for children.