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Deed poll process needs 'attention' to ensure trans people are not being outed, says High Court judge

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stumbledin · 18/02/2020 19:16

The process of changing your name by deed poll “needs close attention” to ensure that trans people are not being outed, a High Court judge has said.

Master Victoria McCloud says the process for changing a name by deed poll is "very public" because High Court staff publish old and new names on the internet via a notice in the London Gazette, the official newspaper of the Government.

She says the process can lead to people who have changed their name as a result of changing their gender being outed and has suggested that the issue should be drawn to the attention of a senior judge.

Master McCloud, who herself transitioned from male to female and changed her name, outlined her concerns in a ruling, which has been published online, relating to four people who had changed their names....

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/02/17/deed-poll-process-needs-attention-ensure-trans-people-not-outed/

Its like every part of the decisions making arms of society have now been infiltrated by trans rights activists.

How do we keep up with what they are doing letting alone stopping them. Angry

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TreestumpsAndTrampolines · 05/09/2020 09:40

Separated women need their husband’s written consent to revert to their maiden name (in fact, all married people and civil partners need their spouse or partner’s consent)

Do they mean for children? In the UK you can literally call yourself what you want. We've even just used that UK deed poll service for our son, and it's been happily accepted by the passport office, and for residency permits in more than one country. No publishing necessary (and when I needed a copy, they DHLed one to a non-european country the same day - well 2 days to arrive).

I'd like to hear what the actual issue is with the standard, non-public way of changing your name.

Gottalife · 04/09/2020 21:28

@ifIwerenotanandroid

When I asked if I'd misunderstood, I meant is there any requirement for trans people to do their name change in a certain way, or can they choose. It seems they can choose, so what's the problem?
I thought a Statutory Declaration is good enough.
NearlyGranny · 04/09/2020 21:27

If you started and finished your law degree as a man, I don't think you qualify to get your picture up among 100 illustrious women lawyers. You just don't. I suspect those pictures will quietly disappear in a year or two, leaving pale patches to be filled by images of women who overcame the barriers put up to deter them because of their sex.

Let's have another space to celebrate transgender lawyers; they have a right to it.

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stumbledin · 04/09/2020 19:52

The point of the article was that those who want to go for the more legally authoritative route for name changes have to do so by including a public notice about it. The Judge thought this wasn't fair on trans people. The Judge want the same annonymity for those chosing the "enrolled" version as the cheap one which does allow people to change their name without public notice.

That is all the article was about.

The enrolled version has more legal "status" but for many this may not ever be necessary, but was about ensuring people did name changes in "good faith" evidenced by the willingness to do this in public (rather than behind people's backs or for dubious purposes).

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stumbledin · 04/09/2020 19:45

If the issue is still relevant it isn't a zombie thread.

What isn't necessary is for posters who aren't interested in a topic to come and posts messages implying that those who are posting are stupid for doing so.

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DidoLamenting · 04/09/2020 19:24

@ifIwerenotanandroid

But you don't have to do it this way. See:

www.deedpoll.org.uk/IsADeedPollRegisteredAnywhere.html

It appears that trans people, like anyone else, can change their name by deed poll & not enrol it so there's no publicity.

What's the problem, or have I misunderstood something?

That link says

Separated women need their husband’s written consent to revert to their maiden name (in fact, all married people and civil partners need their spouse or partner’s consent)

I'm sure that is not correct.

DianasLasso · 04/09/2020 18:31

What's with all the zombie threads being bumped?

hastingsmua1 · 04/09/2020 18:29

I personally disagree with the article as deed polls don’t have to be publicly recorded in the London gazette. That’s only for enrolled deed polls which frankly aren’t necessary to change your name - the passport office accepts normal deed polls.

yourhairiswinterfire · 04/09/2020 18:27

@NiceGerbil

The opportunity for men who are criminals to exploit any changes are obvious.
Yes.

Is it a coincidence that the majority of 'rights' these TRAs are demanding just happen to blow massive holes in the safeguards we have in place?

NiceGerbil · 04/09/2020 18:14

The opportunity for men who are criminals to exploit any changes are obvious.

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stumbledin · 04/09/2020 18:11

If you see up thread there are supposedly benefits (legal nicety) of following the public route which some people might want or need.

Its explained in the link you gave!

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Lordfrontpaw · 19/02/2020 08:16

Interesting - i’d not seen that before and was wondering if it was an odd first name choice!

Funny how some people always push themselves forward for the womans lists and accolades after a relatively short time.

TheCuriousMonkey · 19/02/2020 08:05

Master is a job title, it's a kind of judge.

Master McCloud has been honoured as one of 100 women in law role models to celebrate 100 years since women were allowed to practice as lawyers.

Which is an interesting way to mark a very recent example of discrimination against women on the basis of their sex.

www.law.ox.ac.uk/people/master-victoria-mccloud

Lordfrontpaw · 19/02/2020 07:38

So is Master their name or a job title?

No - if you change your name (apart from witness protection) then why hide it? It’s not exactly a secret if someone has don’t this for this particular reason.

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stumbledin · 18/02/2020 23:34

Thanks for the link to the actual case. Should have suspected it would be about"affirming" under age children.

And agree, that the language of outing is deliberate to try and perpetuate the arguement that those opposing trans identity are the same as those who supported Clause 28.

It's just frightening who many people who have positions of power / influence are part of the trans arm. A fifth column of MRAs and TRAs appearing to be part of progressive politics.

Entryists using weasel words to bemuse the young and naive.

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lanadelgrey · 18/02/2020 23:30

A link between names needs to be recorded somewhere for all people. How would Clare’s law operate if someone were to change name for example as a way to break a link between previous conviction for DV or for fraud or a DBS. It is not a specifically trans issue either way.

Purpleartichoke · 18/02/2020 22:11

Changing your name should be very public. I believe It should be so public that your id should list all your old names or at least indicate it is an altered identity.

I would grant exemptions to people in witness protection or who are hiding from long-term stalkers. But those kind of cases would have all sorts of judicial involvement anyway, the records would just be sealed.

Absolutepowercorrupts · 18/02/2020 22:00

It's very interesting that the phrase 'being outed" is used. It's another conflation with gay rights, when gay people had to stay under the radar. The phrase being dead named has gone by the wayside.
Language matters, human beings cannot change sex.
When men are considering rape, they always know which human is a women.
When women are desperately trying to minimise being raped, they always know which human is a man.

Qcng · 18/02/2020 21:50

No one, at any time ever, should be able to change their name without their previous name being on record.
It's basic safeguarding and common sense.

ifIwerenotanandroid · 18/02/2020 20:43

When I asked if I'd misunderstood, I meant is there any requirement for trans people to do their name change in a certain way, or can they choose. It seems they can choose, so what's the problem?

BrandNewUsername · 18/02/2020 20:38

This is the judgment in question:

www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/QB/2020/279.html

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stumbledin · 18/02/2020 20:23

What's the problem, or have I misunderstood something?

In the link you gave it explains what the benefit is of registering it.

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