The struggles of getting a haircut as a non-binary person

rufus you're making me laugh
donquixote and prodigalkitten I agree.

I don't believe for one minute a hairdresser asked if that person was a boy or a girl- far less whether they are gay or straight.

The salon I go to does have different prices for men and women but I don't believe for one minute that if any hairdresser was in any doubt they would ask. They would charge on the amount of time it took.

It really isn't a problem

I liked this comment

This is a bit of an attack on people who cut hair. I think they should have a right of reply. A poem by a hairdresser, or barber, is needed

I'm neither but here ya go! I watched the whole vid & I don't think it's fair. You choose how you look You choose what to wear. Controversial, I know But I suggest if you care You TELL THEM how to cut Your own fucking hair

I kind of feel for this twit - having their crap pseudo-political teenage poetry put on a BBC twitter account for all to see and mock. (Except I don't feel for them that much because they are actively making things worse.)

I might get DS2 to start tweeting about the "struggles" of having a 'girls haircut'

Except I'm not an attention seeking idiot. My mum, ds1, ds2 and I all go to the same hairdresser. Mum has short hair. I guess a pixie cut? Maybe. I'm not sure.
Ds1 has short back and sides.
Ds2 and I both have hair halfway down our backs. The same hairdresser cuts them all while we discuss everything from relationships to star wars. Easy peasy. And she charges the same for them all.

I do agree with donquixote that elevating some random's narcissistic drivel to speaking for my people level, as the media currently does on the regular, is a bit shit for those in the same demographic who are less up their own arse. I remember when for a while Kanye West was getting that treatment and multiple different people I knew who were black were doing the "can he just shut up now?" cringe.

Glad that one worked

I don’t think i said you diluted the message though

Did i

Oh fucking hell i fucked up my

OH NO

Thats what i thought [ sad]

And that too. Should enby's be able to get a man's cut at a barbershop for cheap but not women who call themselves women who want the exact same cut? How would you justify that, legally or ethically?

rufus I don't think I have not owned anything I've said. If I've missed anything, remind me, and I'll be sure to own that too. My message was, I don't know why people were bothered about this tweet. But I've diluted my message? OH NO!!
Upfield I do agree with a lot of what you said there. And like you said, didn't even have to make any personal criticisms of the individual.

But many people of that age group are, have been, and probably always will be, a bit over dramatic about stuff.

Many young people and many trans people are intelligent and insightful. I think it's a bit shit that the BBC represents some groups as if they are only made up of twonks.

I also think it's weird to put across those who are narcissistic and shallow as if they are speaking great truths. Fine to include all views in a box pop, but stuff like this video is elevated to 'speaking for my people' level all the time.

Imagine if the BBC constantly ran stories about black people (still at least 100 times more numerous than trans people) but the only ones they showed were whiney knobs or arguing for extreme political change. Would you not think the BBC had something going on?

I'm not arguing the BBC are conciously biased, I just think coverage of this issue (and quality from BBC online in general) is poor.

...in fact, the only valid point they make, that women's haircuts cost disproportionately more than men's, is lost in the bleating on about imaginary grievances towards bogeyman hairdressers wishing to give them the third degree on their sex lives and genitals before seeing to them. A good illustration on how women's issues become subsumed when women identify into being non-binary.

The thing that made me a bit puzzled is that hairdressers are being represented as these bastions of gender stereotypicality.

This too! I think there are 2, possibly 3, gender conforming straight people working at my hairdressers, out of more than a dozen staff overall. The person who cut my hair at one point last year when my regular hairdresser was on holiday was a transwoman. I've never asked but I'm fairly sure the trainee who answers the phones and sweeps up after the higher paid hairdressers would define themselves as some flavor of nonbinary. Does this person live in a very small town? Can she not get the train into Glasgow or Edinburgh if she needs to find a salon that's a better fit?

I know the kind of salons she's talking about exist because my stepmother goes to one. I wouldn't go there, and they'd probably look at me funny if I asked them to put any fun colors in my hair. Such is life.

My hairdresser specializes in coloring, long, flowing locks. It’s why I picked her. Shockingly, at the next chair over their is another hairdresser who does a variety of cuts, and the next chair, and the next. My young daughter gets her hair cut by a heavily tattooed and pierced man wearing very unusual clothing for our area. My hairdresser recommended him as being good with kids, and guess what, he is.

Tons of people who cut hair specialize. There are also plenty who will do any cut that comes to their chair.

I am kind of tickled that this video is so ridiculous and ripe for universal mockery that the only thing the cultists can do is posture and suggest that others should just ignore it.

I mean really, I don't disagree on one level, but can you imagine how crushed an Enby would be if no one paid any attention to their plight?

Im dreadfully mean in real life

Not so much on here

eckhart

I honestly dont care what you do..but you should fuckin’ own it

You are being mean....while saying other people are being mean

Dilutes the message somewhat...the whole hypocrisy thing I suppose

Eckhart a number of things bother me about this video. For one thing, they suggest that most people are happy with the blue/pink divide, but they themselves are more special than that. This is utter bollox, feminists have never been happy with gender stereotypes, and many who wouldn't call themselves feminists either, just people with personalities. I also propose that they are telling outright lies in saying that hairdressers ask their clients if they're a boy or girl or if they're gay or trans. Fair enough if someone wants to have a moan on Twitter, but it the constant, fallacious, one-sided propaganda coming from the state broadcaster that we pay our licence fees towards that is grinding my gears. That's before we even get into how much of a non-issue this is and how narcissistically self-indulgent.

My DM is 57 and has, for years, been getting a number 4 all over for £12

I don't usually enter into the trans debate but this is daft. I got my undercut done at the barber on saturday and no-one batted an eyelid.
Loads of unisex hairdressers about too.

You should stop telling people what they should do rufus (bit more irony)

I don't mind if people think I'm mean sometimes. I'm at my own level. Sometimes high, sometimes low. Thank you for caring.

The dramatic background music is a nice touch.

Look, pal, nobody cares about your identity struggle nearly as much as you think they do. If they're charging you extra for a basic men's cut because you're a woman, that's potentially a sex discrimination case, but it has nothing to do with transphobia. They do the same to regular old dull women who call themselves women too.

If anyone is asking this person what her sex is the possibilities are a. they're terrified of saying the wrong thing because they've seen what happens when TRAs attack, b. they're homophobic and being a dick, or c. this story has been somewhat embellished. Nobody is going to be genuinely unable to tell what this person's sex is.

Hah hah hah. I find this very amusing to watch.
Steve is non binary. (Binary means two choices)
Steve will prove this by following the binary choice Steve thinks is not the one they’re supposed to make.
Steve is still binary because Steve still sees the world as choice #1 or #2.

@FlamingoAndJohn I'd imagine that the Twitter poster agrees that the potential end of the world as we know it is pretty damn important. But is that the only thing they're allowed to care/post about? Why are you here on MN wittering on about some non binary stranger when you could be posting much more important things in much more influential places? Why, you could be out protesting against the end of the world as we know it right now, if you weren't here commenting on nb issues.

Christ yeah lynn

What are you 80???