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The struggles of getting a haircut as a non-binary person

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Awning10 · 18/02/2020 10:44

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BickerinBrattle · 19/02/2020 00:20

Hmmm.... I agree that a world divided into pink and blue is a bad thing — so why in hell is a flag divided into just those colours now something we all must genuflect to — or if we’re newly elected MPs the flag we must wriggle around with?

The term at work here is: internal contradiction.

FlamingoAndJohn · 19/02/2020 00:15

I quite agree.
I have no problem with her as an individual. It’s just that she is bitching and moaning about a problem that simply doesn’t exist.

This has to be the biggest bait and switch ever. Distract everyone from politics and climate change by getting them to worry about non existent problems.

Noooblerooble · 19/02/2020 00:11

I think the woman in that video has the potential to be a bright, insightful and sensitive individual. It's just sad any vulnerabilities she's carrying have taken her in this self-indulgent and misguided direction. There are so many other things she could put her mind to beyond all this rubbish. I think getting a very public roasting must be hard even if the criticisms are relevent. I hope she's ok.

BlueHarry · 18/02/2020 23:46

I don't want to sound like I'm "piling on" this individual, but I think it's fair to criticise their poem that's being promoted by the BBC. I think it's a harmful message. It's saying that aside from a special few, most of us are fine and dandy with gender stereotypes. The whole poem is enforcing the exact thing that it claims to be against.

Socalm · 18/02/2020 23:26

Like, people are having a go at A POET for being overly sensitive. GrinGrin

StrangeLookingParasite · 18/02/2020 23:18

I regularly had a short back and sides cut done by a barber back in the (very) early eighties.
He was great.

Aesopfable · 18/02/2020 23:17

the gender binary does dominate everyday life

The gender ideologues are certainly trying to make it so with their reinforcing sex stereotypes and relying on these to define women in order that men can ‘become’ women. No feminist on this board would say that was a good thing. If you think they do you need to read a bit more carefully.

RufustheLanglovingreindeer · 18/02/2020 23:15

wellbehavedwoman

Flowers

Right

Im off to bed before i hug anyone else

Night all

donquixotedelamancha · 18/02/2020 23:13

Titania McGrath has rted her with withering satire. It does feel a bit like bullying.

Tits identifies as black and non-binary. How dare you suggest they should just meekly accept having they's own experience whitesplained to them. There are literally no people of colour in that video.

(More seriously: The target of satire is often not it's subject. This video is promoted uncritically by the state broadcaster, it's exactly who satire should target. If it feels mean, that's because the BBC should not use this lass to preach.)

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 18/02/2020 23:13

Granted that part of what's going on there is the self absorption of youth, but I feel like there's a certain level of, well, robustness that we should be encouraging young people to develop and that that's not currently happening, which is having all sort of knock on effects. If a hairdresser being a bit insensitive is something that really knocks you off kilter then how are you going to cope with the more serious shit that life will sooner or later throw at you, as the comment above demonstrates? There seems to have been a cultural decision to actively cultivate and valorize mental and emotional fragility in young people and I don't think it's good for them at all.

wellbehavedwomen · 18/02/2020 23:13

Piling on a perfectly nice young person over it isn't right though, agreed. They're not harming anyone at all.

wellbehavedwomen · 18/02/2020 23:07

I'm hesitant to say this because I appreciate that one person being worse off doesn't mean another's problems disappear. But when you've had breast cancer relatively young, and seen all your hair fall out, and had to plan on how to make that less stressful for your small kids (kids who, by diagnosis, find change incredibly hard at the best of times) by taking them to the hairdresser with you, and getting them to snip it to a bob with her, so they felt relaxed around the idea Mum was losing her long hair. And when the day arrived when it came loose at the roots and began to fall in chunks, you set them a contest to see who could grab most fastest, and woohoo look isn't Mum's losing her hair cooool! And then you ignore the baldness, and wear hats, and just get on with it, because what's the point in focusing on what can't be changed? Life is short and wasting it on navel gazing pointless and wasteful.

When you've had that experience, people saying that trying to get a hairdresser to understand that they want an unconventional cut (and no cut is these days, anyway - just look around you, in any city with youngish people in it) is hard, is a tad difficult to swallow.

Choice is important. They should be able to choose how they present to the world. And they can. Chemo took that from me, and that was really hard. Not disliking being bald (I actually look a lot better with a really short crop, when it grew back in) but the lack of agency. I grew mine back despite knowing it looked better short, because I wanted to be who decided that. Not cancer.

Gender isn't a concrete straitjacket. Present as you like. But nobody is out to get you. It should not be such a big deal. I do think creating drama over having to ask for a cut that you feel is gender neutral (and what is a men's or women's cut, anyway, really?) falls squarely under the heading of buying problems, when life will hand you a plethora of 'em for free.

Socalm · 18/02/2020 23:00

I really liked the poem! It's true, the gender binary does dominate everyday life. It used to be that feminists took issues with it too. The feminism on this thread is not one I recognize at all.

RufustheLanglovingreindeer · 18/02/2020 22:58

((eckhart))

Eckhart · 18/02/2020 22:55

((Rufus))

Eckhart · 18/02/2020 22:53

Yeah, it's in case they nick the vulva I think that's the funniest comment I've ever seen on MN Grin

Dunno Prodigal there might be. It's great!

RufustheLanglovingreindeer · 18/02/2020 22:50
MorrisZapp · 18/02/2020 22:50

I'm feeling sorry for her now. She's only young, and is probably a bright, interesting person just going through the 'I know everything' phase.

Titania McGrath has rted her with withering satire. It does feel a bit like bullying.

RufustheLanglovingreindeer · 18/02/2020 22:50

Any second now kittens

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 18/02/2020 22:46

Is there going to be some very un-Mumsnetty hugging?

LonginesPrime · 18/02/2020 22:43

I heard a woman told in a barbers that they weren't allowed to cut women's hair for insurance reasons. Can anybody make any sense of that?

Yeah, it's in case they nick the vulva.

RufustheLanglovingreindeer · 18/02/2020 22:35

Thank fuck the grin worked

That would have been well embarrassing!!!

RufustheLanglovingreindeer · 18/02/2020 22:35

Ive seen it before

On another thread

When i once again started something I didn’t want to finish Grin

Ive had a poopy few days and i dont want to add tone policing twat to my list of woes!

Eckhart · 18/02/2020 22:33

Rufus of course. (surely a MN precedent?? I've never seen this happen on any other thread!)

RufustheLanglovingreindeer · 18/02/2020 22:25

Rufus you're making me laugh

Honestly pleased Grin

Can we call pax?