International women's day-all genders

@Lordfrontpaw , me too. And Army Day was "men's day". As well as the other 364 days.

My mother is absolutely insistent that there is no such thing as International Women's Day, and that it is correctly International Women's Day of Prayer...

They're on different days - the church one is the first Friday in March ie the 6th (or the first sabbath for Adventists, google tells me, so the 7th this year). IWD is on the 8th.

Although the closeness of the dates might suggest one developed from the other it seems not - oddly it looks like the secular date is a Sunday (because working women get a bit of a day off) whereas the Christian one isn't (presumably so it doesn't clash with standard patriarchal services. Although in the church I was raised in (URC, a bit more egalitarian than most) the Sunday service would always reference it and maybe have some female focus.

Isn’t it next to Mother’s Day? I remember being in Russia in women’s day and every woman and girl seemed to have carnations.

I know it's a tangent but IWD has been being coopted for decades. My mother is absolutely insistent that there is no such thing as International Women's Day, and that it is correctly International Women's Day of Prayer...

Just as men get a commercial father's Day which is just father's Day, unashamedly just that (and where I live a weekday bank holiday) and women get Mothering Sunday which is actually about the church, so the only day celebrating women is, in the view of my mother and a lot of other churchgoers, actually a day for women to get together and selflessly pray for everyone else.

And when you think of how many lgbTetc days and months we have - some people really can’t bear to let women have a single day. So self obsessed and selfish.

Because they are the most put upon sector of humanity in the history of the world. That’s why they are trying to provoke women to what, look at them, so they can launch an attack.

Don’t like it, stay away.

Men have always insisted on muscling-in on women's rights. They can't bear to be excluded in case we're talking about them or being subversive. MAN must be put first in all things, or else. This is what patriarchy is. Patriarchy now insists that the most important "women" are actually men.

I know what a woman is.
You know what a woman is.
Everyone else can go and do one.

"The Wrong Trousers" article in this Saturday's Telegraph magazine finally sent me over the edge. WOMAN is not a costume. WOMAN is not a role-playing lifestyle choice.

On International Women's Day, I for one will be calling out every instance of women being cast aside in favour of men who think they make better "women" than WOMEN.

Solidarity, sisters.

"for protection" from what? "looking for a reaction"

Are women reminding women how to behave in public or is it only men who need to do that?

Sigh... look at me look at me look at me - don’t look at me! Hate crime!

And so it begins...

I would be interested to hear of anyone is speaking at the London March - I believe they have had someone not quite suitable speaking to women before.

I assume it’s a play on the ‘T rights and human rights’ (no further questions) mantra of so many these days.

It's the other way round.
The Women's rights are human rights statement is from 5 September 1995, at the United Nations Fourth World Conference on Women in Beijing.

“Human rights are women’s rights, and women’s rights are human rights. Let us not forget that among those rights are the right to speak freely--and the right to be heard.”

― Hillary Rodham Clinton

There is a march planned for 8th March in London organised by Womankind Worldwide. www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/global-womens-march-tickets-95360157799

Sounds quite good except ... they are linking it to Global Women's Strike which is pro trans, pro sex work.

There is also a march in Belfast and one in Manchester.

A woman would understand and not try to insert herself (or take the lead). That’s the difference.

IWD Edinburgh, also a plea to bring men along to the march so they can join in the conversation and be seen, like men are invisible the rest of the fucking year.

I despair.

The web sie internationalwomensday.com is not, even though it says it is, the official site by or about IWD.

It is run by a PR company (2 women unfortunately) who realised that if they pitched to big business they could get enough money each March to survive the year.

Their "innovation" is the direct cause of how many IWD events are now business related, ie big companies to a little token event or something.

What is astonishing, but then we know this happens elsewhere, is how many people who should know better now just accept it is "the" IWD site.

So everytime someone uses their logo or their theme for the year (as opposed to the actual UN one) this just shows that with the right amount of money you can coopt anything - and mostly people dont care because it is easier to do that.

So I went to look what info was online and this US one came up first.

www.internationalwomensday.com/Events

Sponsors - ok so less fabulous than trans ally sponsorships - but the Girl Guides? 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

Women don’t matter any more. Trans women do. Trans men definitely don’t. Such is life these days.

Jan Morris

Of course.

Nope, posters for IED here feature a variety of diverse women, no mention of trans at all.

There is also a theatre event celebrating a female historical figure (won't name as will out where I live) which I am intending on going to.

A celebration on Mumsnet for IWD would be fantastic.

Well that image is just lgbtq+dfhjkookk's day.

Wtf.

Yes, exactly. There is a woman missing from that list.

@SirVixofVixHall you beat me to it.

A list. Of women. Probably is a lovely old dear but it's a list of women.

I can think of many more Welsh Women that could have made the list but I suppose I'm a bit too old-fashioned with my un-woke thinking.

Does/should Mumsnet do anything for IWD/women's history month? A series on inspirational mothers maybe?

My suggestion would start with the headlines ^"Oxford housewife wins Nobel" and "British woman wins Nobel Prize – £18,750 prize to mother of three."
^

(See www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/may/12/google-doodle-honours-biochemist-dorothy-hodgkin )