Dawn Butler and biology

So when exactly does one declare one’s sex? Then when does one declare one’s gender? Is there anything else we get to choose?

So when these rational people hear stuff like “sex is a spectrum”, on the radio, while watching Angus tupping the Jersey girls, they’ll say, “fucking scientist is a loon”.

If authorities espouse rubbish which is clearly rubbish, why should ordinary people believe any of the rest of it? Why should they trust science on climate change or any other important issue, when science is busy telling them something they know isn’t true?

This comment reminded me of this www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-49597787

"People were saying, 'We want the truth, even if it's bad. We want to be treated as adults'," said Prof Eliot, who is based in Senate House, in the University of London's School of Advanced Study.

"It quickly dawned on the Ministry of Information that this was critical."

"What comes through very strongly is, 'Don't patronise us, don't treat us as children. We'll feel much better if we know where we stand."

There was an immediate response from the government and posters which seemed to be implausibly smug or propagandistic were pulled down.

There was an attempt, without divulging military secrets, to be as open as possible in news and to provide accessible information about how and why the war was being fought.

Arf. Gotta love Wiki.

Ah yes - because babies have thought processes like that. That was a doctor wasn't it that came out with that gem? Also the babies and toddlers pulling hair grips out of their hair - well duh, that’s what small kids do!

You unbutton your onesie to "make it into a dress", apparently.

(Actual argument used by parent to justify why they needed to transition their child.)

So if you don’t have sex - how do you know of you are ‘the wrong one’?

But if babies don’t have a sex.

How are the girl babies chosen to be aborted or thrown on rubbish heaps ?

Some men have vaginas
Some women have penises.

No they don't. You're getting your words mixed up.

It kind of feels like we've got the Considering Becoming the Nazi Party in power and the main opposition is the Monster Raving Loony Party right now....

Scary.

Imagine if Dawn Butler bought some baby guinea pigs or gerbils... how many would she end up with? Thousands probably.

I think DB and LN should be on every news programme, along with a skilled interviewer. This would blow the whole issue out of the water. It must, surely, be legitimate to question such preposterous beliefs without being accused of transphobia.

They are the ‘dream team’ for this.

...while watching Angus tupping the Jersey girls,

Not my favourite musical tbh

(Gently strums out of tune guitar)

Words don't have meeeniings, tra la la
It's all about feeeliiings, tra la la

We’re in the process of turning back the Enlightenment when scientists are either peddling fiction in the service of a cultural agenda or refusing to speak the truth out of fear of the Inquisition.

I am not sure this is exactly what's going on. Science has always had an element of cultural agenda, the perspective of the era, woven in. It's never been wholly objective the way the Enlightenment or the Victorians imagined, the questions asked, the boundaries we draw around the answers, determine to a significant extent what it looks like.

Not realising this is actually a significant blind spot around science and I have noticed that many of the people I know who are most wedded to gender ideology do not have any perspective about this. They think there is a kind of complete objectivity, one right answer. They believe that science has no narrative about itself, it's just facts. If some people say the science is different than what they have been told, well, it is one or the other that must be a wholly wrong perspective. There is only one right way to describe a phenomena in science.

It means they don't query information that claims to be scientific if it sounds not quite right, and they tend to accept certain authorities are the right ones to believe while they dismiss others. They can't really see that information may not be interpreted correctly, or that a model might be misleading, or that the data colected could be the wrong data.

DB is a disgrace as an MP.

Her track record of expenses violations alone is testimony to the character of the person.

She's one of many MP's (of all political parties) who is undeserving of their role.

It's also mixed up with breathtaking arrogance. All you people, who for centuries thought you knew what men and women are, you're all wrong. All the scientists, medics, teachers, lecturers and so on; all wrong.

I wouldn't be happy if I was TRA. They're pushing too far. Got too greedy. And the wheels are more likely to come off fast.

Dawn Butler is a proper fruit loop! The Labour party will soon be a forgotten entity. Nobody can blame people for not voting for them. As a political party they have totally lost a grasp on reality

What a stupid, stupid woman. They walk among us....

There’s an even bigger problem here, as if this nonsense wasn’t a huge problem all on its own.

When people in authority, and scientists, are spouting bullshit, and it’s perfectly clear to the average person in the street that it’s bullshit, science itself is undermined.

Dairy farmers and dog breeders and plant growers and Mrs Kafoops at the corner store, all understand the binary nature of sexual reproduction. The dairy farmer knows that his bull is bigger and stronger and probably more aggressive than his cows, so he’s got a handle on sexual dimorphism. Mrs Kafoops asks her son to carry in the potato sacks because she knows he’s got more upper body strength than she does.

So when these rational people hear stuff like “sex is a spectrum”, on the radio, while watching Angus tupping the Jersey girls, they’ll say, “fucking scientist is a loon”.

If authorities espouse rubbish which is clearly rubbish, why should ordinary people believe any of the rest of it? Why should they trust science on climate change or any other important issue, when science is busy telling them something they know isn’t true?

We’re in the process of turning back the Enlightenment when scientists are either peddling fiction in the service of a cultural agenda or refusing to speak the truth out of fear of the Inquisition.

And the reproduction part? That's just random too? The brain conquers all?

Or maybe, hey! Here's a thought! Maybe the people with vaginas are women. And the people with penises are men!

Some men have vaginas.

Some women have penises.

It's why trans women are women and trans men are men.

So, again, are they saying penises and testicles and vaginas and uteruses and all the other biological differences are just nothing?

She didn't 'mis-speak'. She absolutely means sex. It's assigned, not observed. And it's often wrongly assigned. Hence trans.

Sex is determined by the way you think, not your biology. Hence male rapists in female prisons.

It's unhinged lunacy.

It looks as though Labour is the Party for middle class urban graduates pissed because they can't buy a house in Wimbledon, like their parents.

And it looks that way because ...

"Clearly misspoke''

Nah, doubt it. Its at the core of trans ideology today that people are 'assigned a sex' randomly by nurses/doctors/whoever. Sex is absoltely not a real thing, we just get put into 2 different groups for no reason at all besides someone deciding there needs to be 2 groups. Shes just parroting the usual TRA line. So not surprising at all. Bloody depressing though as its obvious bullshit.