Dawn Butler and biology

Layla Moran, "Anyway. I was hoping to inject some calm and fact into the debate. Alas"

This ^^

twitter.com/LaylaMoran/status/1229727092767707138

Fortunately Dr Emma Hilton is providing both.

-Layla Moran wiki
"Moran studied Physics at Imperial College London and worked maths and physics teacher before becoming an MP. She has served as the Liberal Democrat spokesperson for Education since 2017"

Klinefelters Syndrome (XXY) is specific to males.
Turners syndrome (XO) is specific to females
(this has been taught in schools for a long time)

See recent Mumsnet guest awareness campaign:
DSD Families – The Story of Sex Development
www.dsdfamilies.org/
dsdfamilies provides educational, practical and peer support to children, young people and families living with differences of sex development (DSD)*. We work to ensure that the experiences of children, young people and their families inform best-care practice and professional training. We do this in collaboration with health care providers and peer support networks for adults and families"

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3819388-Intersex-support
www.mumsnet.com/campaigns/guest-campaigns-february-2020

Layla is a Physics teacher. What she knows about Biology you could write on an alpha particle.

Ah Dr Em.... Layla 'please please stop talking! Its just not funny anymore'

Layla saying there that people with disorders of sexual development aren’t male or female.

Lovely. Shall you go and explain that to people affected by those disorders, or shall I, Layla? Go on then, you first, as you’re the one weaponising them in your debate.

Layla Moran has decided to make a tit of herself again.

twitter.com/IainDale/status/1229698370660438016

It’s in the Express now😂

Just seen a hilarious take on Twitter.

Someone trying to educate the masses as to what Dawn Butler is right.

Apparently, biology is a hegemonic structure which has held too much sway for hundreds of years.

It no longer has a purpose and thus its hegemonic hold is archaic.

Its hold is both crumbling and needs to be dismantled.

ie. Technology will save us.

ie. Biology is cancelled.

Unsurprisingly, it's a privileged male educating the people thus.

Honestly, the people who put this shit forward should be made responsible for going door-to-door selling the idea to actual people.

Not working within the limited, controllable spheres of social media groups or as lobbyists.

But, sadly, we know that ain't the case - and it's why it's managed to get such a tenacious grip.

My third baby moved all the time in utero- wouldn’t keep still - much more so than during my previous two pregnancies - both girls.

Was told all the time ‘it’s a boy’

The boy actually turned out to be girl

• Is this what Dawn Butler is on about?

My daughter decided to identify as male in utero and was forced to be assigned female at birth??!!

What a bloody idiot.

But surely these people should be arguing that babies are born with gender, hence them just knowing to unbutton their baby grows to make a dress? What am I missing?

So all those babies aborted (or murdered at birth) simply for being girls.... how does that work then? Or the fact China has a serious imbalance in the ratio of men and women nowadays?

Babies are born with a sex, which is either male or female.But babies have zero concept of gender, I.e. fashion sense. In fact, babies are generally happy in any clothes as long as they're warm and comfortable

Well said. It's an attempt to upend and reverse sex and gender so the latter supplants and supersedes the former

Do you think any Labour MPs/senior staff read these threads ?

I don't know. But I sure hope Conservative ones are......

Babies are born with a sex, which is either male or female.

But babies have zero concept of gender, I.e. fashion sense. In fact, babies are generally happy in any clothes as long as they're warm and comfortable.

Quite simple really.

If MPs like Dawn can't get their head around this, then what else are they struggling with? I'd be terrified if they were representing us at war or similar!

Do you think any Labour MPs/senior staff read these threads ?

"The child is born without sex at the beginning - but anyway"

I am not quite sure what to say, except that was astonishing, bizarre.
What is far more worrying is that she is shadow secretary of state for women and equalities.

I'm reading 'Identity Crisis' by Ben Elton at the moment. It's a satire on identity politics and is very good and funny, people tying themselves in knots over 'being on the right side of history'. Really recommend it.

Butler and her interesting take on biology is trending on Twitter

A whole can of worms in identity politics has been opened and exposed. It is going to destroy Labour if they don't get a grip on it. Have any religious groups commented on this ?

I agree. This will consume Labour. The media doesn't seem to be reporting Dawn Butler's idiotic statement. It is quite astonishing that this is an allegedly serious politician who expects voters to put her in Downing street if she gets the leadership gig. Both Butler and RLB plumb new depths of stupidity in a party which is already at basement level.....

WIkipedia has this priceless story about Butler:

'In January 2009, Butler published on her website a letter which she described as an "absolutely genuine" endorsement from US President Barack Obama. The letter was printed on House of Commons branded paper and mispelt Barack Obama's name as "Barak". Butler later admitted that the endorsement had been written by her staff with the consent of Obama's aides.'

I don't think she's the brightest spark.

A whole can of worms in identity politics has been opened and exposed. It is going to destroy Labour if they don't get a grip on it. Have any religious groups commented on this ?

I'm interested to know when sex appears. I wish they'd asked her. "So ok, here's a baby, it's sexless, at which point does it develop sexual organs?"

And this comment:

It means they don't query information that claims to be scientific if it sounds not quite right, and they tend to accept certain authorities are the right ones to believe while they dismiss others. They can't really see that information may not be interpreted correctly, or that a model might be misleading, or that the data colected could be the wrong data.

was echoed by this:

twitter.com/AdamRutherford/status/1229311819711381504

Shame it wasn’t a proper interviewer asking questions.

Oh well, I'm glad she said what she said on national TV. It's best to shine a harsh light on this lunacy and have it questioned again and again. Not, as Rebecca Long Bailey wants, for us to just stop talking about it and do what she says.

We really need some sort of entrance exam for ministers.