Dawn Butler and biology

Zarah Sultana

Sarah Sultana should link up with Coventry's own Aimee Challenor to do a cross-Party Trans Politics Education Day.

That would be a treat and a half.

The guardian link near the top of the thread is, surprisingly, well worth a read...

'If most giraffes have any “true, authentic selves”, in short, they would be bisexual, aromantic. And, as fathers, they set a very bad example.'🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

I have just seen this. Yes , it is we that need “educating” .
Also Zarah Sultana, a Coventry MP, wildly waving a little trans flag... Coventry ffs. Has she no idea of the impact of mixed sex spaces on muslim women ?

Why have none of them got a bloody spine?! It’s been left to the normal woman on the street (and a few, too few, men) to say that the emperor has no clothes.

Yes, there's definitely been concerted forced teaming & lobbying of female MPs & members of House of Lords.
None of which mitigates their responsibility.

Yes, of course. It's just that I'd expect a woman to show a bit more awareness of what it's like to be a woman.

Its not just female politicians.
There are plenty of male MPs who will be exposed as behaving cynically, stupidly or both with regards failing to protect Safeguarding & Womens (sex-based) rights.

It's so depressing, all these female candidates make me ashamed to be a woman. Seriously, why are they so crap? Surely we can do better than this bunch of weak, illogical pushovers. Women everywhere are absolutely desperate to support a strong female leader, but instead we get: babies don't have a sex, rapists should be put in female prisons if they want, feminist organisations are 'hate groups', women shouldn't be allowed to discuss their own rights, a woman is anything a man says it is. Talk about some self-loathing going on there, just so long as you get the beardy bloke votes though, eh, lasses.

People pondering whether DB is cynical or stupid. It's perfectly possible to be both of course.

Is the trans-targeting of female politicians is just another form of sexism?

Depressing.

AutumnCrow I wondered if it was the 'nice' conditioning too. I do think there is a well meaning element to all of this but it just hasn't been thought through properly, bit concerning though when politicians aren't thinking about the consequences of their actions/words.

AutumnCrow Yes, transcribing Dawn Butler's answers & then writing an article would be challenging. Journalists need to insist on clarification during the interview.

@Violetparis, I wonder if it's that (a) female politicians are targeted much more by extreme lobbyists because (b) females are socialised to be 'nice'?

If babies are born without sex, then how do people grow up to be "c*s"? (Not my word obvs)

C*s = sex matches gender identity
Trans = sex disagrees with gender identity

When does the matching and mismatching occur? I just don't get it

Indeed, @R0wantrees, the press sometimes don't understand what they're saying when they attempt to report on Dawn Butler's not understanding what she's saying.

I can't quite understand why all of the female candidates signed the pledge but none of the men did !

Dawn Butler, so open minded her brain fell out. Some top politicians we have these days.

It feels like a kind of hysteria, where otherwise sensible people are saying things that are clearly untrue and even unhinged.

But they can't be sensible about other things if they come out with this crap. Seriously, would you put these people in charge of the economy if they don't even know where babies come from? They are completely discrediting the Labour Party. It's heartbreaking. They have failed working class people and without doubt will turn them away from socialist ideas in droves. It's humiliating, I'm just relieved I left the party over this during the GRA consultation, I'd be so embarrassed to be associated with this nonsense.

And they can't blame the Tories or the MSM for this fiasco (although I'm sure they probably will).

Its a confusing article.
The headline, "Labour split as Dawn Butler says trans men ‘should never be put in women’s jails’ would mean that Dawn Butler does not think females who identify as transgender (trans men) should not be placed in the female prison estate. Its the logical conclusion of her founding belief that "TWAW, TMAM, NBIAV".

But when pressed for her position today, Ms Butler told Metro.co.uk: ‘There are bodies and advisory bodies within the judicial system that everybody would need to go through before that would even be considered and that (trans women prisoners in a female prison) should never happen.’ Asked directly if she disagreed with backbencher Ms Nandy’s stance, she added: ‘Yes… the prisons service has a separate area anyway and they have discretionary ways of dealing with trans prisoners. ‘So the prison service already have all of those considerations.’ (continues)

Dawn Butler should do some due dilligence about how MoJ policies were influenced by transactivists & the precedents which placed violent males (transwomen) in female prison estate.
STILLTish article:
gendercriticalwoman.wordpress.com/2019/08/11/how-long-has-this-been-going-on/

It is, it's a group hysteria*

*oh the irony of using that word

Just posted this Spactator link on the Nandy thread.

blogs.spectator.co.uk/2020/02/dawn-butlers-transgender-madness/?fbclid=IwAR1lYJoAHb0mn2gQZI5vA82iQ1tZJljPD6VLjgA922_XEaUrUkMQI6ZmX8M

We need to recognise the seriousness of all this. A senior Labour figure is flat-out denying scientific truth on national TV. Another senior Labour figure is proposing putting male rapists into close, walled quarters with vulnerable women. This is backward thinking. It feels like a kind of hysteria, where otherwise sensible people are saying things that are clearly untrue and even unhinged.

I know I know I know!

And astonishingly, she was born in 1969, so she's old enough to know better. She has no kids, as far as I can see, but even without having given birth oneself, surely she's seen enough birth scenes on the telly to know that biological sex is bleeding obvious from birth, and babies are not born like Ken of Barbie And, with smooth, gender-neutral pubic regions?

Or maybe she's just an idiot??

"Dawn Butler has said violent transitioning male prisoners ‘should never’ be allowed in women’s jails, as a Labour row over trans rights rages on."

What's a male - because she doesn't actually seem to know. Can she also define 'violent' because I don't think she understands words? She cant come back from this - but lets not forget (we will be chuckling over this for years).