Dawn Butler and biology

Where is Piers Morgan when you need him? He would have picked up on her comment immediately

You just someone (a presenter maybe, as opposed to an invited guest) to say "well that's clearly not true!"

Embarrassing.

There is no hope. Unless some appalling scandal blows it all apart.

Have seen people on Twitter saying GMB Union are bastards for not nominating Dawn Butler after she worked for them for so long.

I found it interesting.

Just. No words.

@tobee Why isn't this all over the television news?

Because those in the media care more about their friends thinking they're bigots, than they do the public knowing what is happening to the rights of 51% of the population.

I just want to repeat this, from Tanith:

""How the fuck have we ended up with so many people senior in the Labour Party that are this stupid, just how."

Jeremy Corbyn was severely limited for choice after the Labour shadow cabinet resigned and refused to work with him. This is the result.

And this, incidentally, is what happens when people walk out, resign, etc.. They leave what's left to the tender mercies of those that stayed."

These twits are being paid by us. Dawn Butler and Diane Abbott are awful awful examples of Labour MP’s who would be fired in industry for their incompetence yet they are voted in time and time again. Just why??

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Paul Embery is having a laugh about it. Honestly, the women in politics right now are pathetic.

Well, it's partly the above.

And also, it's so arcane, people don't quite 'get' it.

I'm looking at Twitter - and so many people think she just mixed up 'sex' and 'gender'.

To be fair, I doubt Madeley is well-versed in all this.

It helps if you have a degree in a Humanities subject and I'm not sure he does.

Also, people are really, really worried about getting it 'wrong' and being labelled bigots.

Why isn't this all over the television news?

I too was so disappointed in Madeley Ffs is no one going to say that this is utter nonsense?!

It's why people talk about 'lady dicks'.

It's all quite strange.

The whole idea that sex is only developed in the womb is a classic bit of trans theory that goes on to hormone washes, intersex, female brain rubbish, all of which is the advanced and modern science that is the reason humans are not binary. It would seem she believes this ridiculous fake science. The previous poster is right, people are being made absolute fools of over this issue. It's all been rolled out here for years to much hilarity but watching politicians making idiots of themselves at the same time as they are demanding this be taught in schools is quite terrible. Enough really is enough.

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But isn't that just linguistics? What about the biology? Society hasn't imposed penis and testicles on some, vagina and uterus on others? Not forgetting the different functions?

That's just for all the people saying, 'She must mean gender.'

No.

She doesn't.

One of the weirdest things about this ideology is that it - necessarily, by its logic - grants gender a greater reality than sex.

She does mean 'sex'.

The ideology runs thus:

'Sex' is not a physical fact. It is a cultural imposition, which is naturalised. It only seems like a natural 'fact'.

Moreover, it is a concept, a 'naturalised' ideology imposed on much of the world through colonisation.

What we (think we) 'know' as 'sex' is, in fact, a racist concept that traps people in a cis-dimorphic fantasy.

'Sex' is assigned at birth as part of society's coercive control.

It's really sad, her ignorance.

A female baby is indeed born with all her eggs already in her body. That means that our grandmothers carried the egg that became us in their wombs, when they carried our mothers.

Women's biology is quite incredible.

She obviously meant gender - I think - but why wasn't she immediately asked to say that again and explain what she meant? How does something like that get through?

Why can't it be about personality and preferences? Why can't we leave gender out of it altogether and keep our safe, single-sex spaces without having to fight for them all over again?

Moreover, if indeed babies are born without gender, i.e. with no inborn sense of being either m or f, what happens to Mermaids, Stonewall, Hull police et al's assertion that sometimes a female brain gets born in a male body and vice versa?

Whichever way you look at this there are some pretty impressive contortions going on to try to make a coherent theory, but it's just not adding up.

oh dear god it gets worse by the day.
Are they trying to out-do each other in just how stupid and woke they are?

She's a total fucking moron. And people are colluding with this delusion.

You wouldn't have thought Labour could get to look any more silly!

At a time when the government needs an opposition to challenge them on appointing Andrew Sabisky (who incidentally has now resigned) and many other things.

It's beyond grim.

She must have meant gender identity, surely

i don't think she knows what she's means to be perfectly honest.......

A bit like the police officer who questioned Harry Miller - who thought that " being transgender is when a woman's brain is trapped in a man's body".