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Emails to Liz Truss and the response of the Government Equalities Office

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MrsSnippyPants · 17/02/2020 12:39

I am going to publish an email trail here, which I believe shows just how far regulatory capture has gone. It shows how questions are ignored, words twisted, and the LAW, the Equality Act 2010 is wilfully misrepresented.
Here goes.....

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R0wantrees · 17/02/2020 15:18

I have wondered if letters sent by mail rather than email might be more likely to be seen by ministers.

MsMcWibble · 17/02/2020 15:16

Great letters though, MrsSnippy.

Needmoresleep · 17/02/2020 15:13

Let’s hope the Tories have noted the knots RL-B, LN, et all have tied themselves into.

Go MrsSnippy go!

Perhaps time for those of us with Conservative MPs to write on similar lines. And perhaps the rest of us to write directly to the Minister. I know from my time in the Civil Service that it is the volume of correspondence that can make a difference.

BovaryX · 17/02/2020 15:09

Whilst we are distracted by the Labour Party, this is the main battle

Absolutely.

BovaryX · 17/02/2020 15:07

MrsSnippy
Your letters are brilliant. The responses are utterly dire. They are indicative of an obtuse failure to recognize that self id directly impacts women's rights to sex segregated spaces. The focus is once again on the tiny minority rather than 51 per cent of the population. How this lobby is able to wield such influence over policies across the political spectrum is profoundly undemocratic. I think you should contact any media sources you know. Who voted for this? It has zero public support

MrsSnippyPants · 17/02/2020 15:02

Thanks Song I get a lot of practice now Grin

By the way, if anyone wants to steal, adapt, plagiarise, have at it. I have gained so much inspiration from the women on here, and while I always think I could have done better (the second after I hit 'send' usually!) I can only even begin to write these emails and letters because of what I have learned here.

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MsMcWibble · 17/02/2020 15:02

Yeah. So many letters and so much time, for nothing.
I would chain myself to railings, but not with my aged bladder, and if I went on strike no one would notice.
I am open to suggestions though.

MrsSnippyPants · 17/02/2020 14:59

I tend to agree with you MrsMcWibble and if I lived anywhere near Parliament I think I would be chaining myself to some railings.

Sadly I don't, so I just keep banging out the letters and bringing up the subject with everyone I meet whenever I can.

But if anyone has any better ideas I'm in. I do wish we could follow the example of the women of Iceland.

icelandmag.is/article/1975-womens-strike-when-90-icelandic-women-went-strike-protest-gender-inequality

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Songsparrow · 17/02/2020 14:55

In awe of your letter writing abilities MrsSnippy

MsMcWibble · 17/02/2020 14:51

I'm so sick of this shit. I think the time for letter writing is over.

Havannahh · 17/02/2020 14:46

Right, you've spurred me on to write to my MP.

I think I want to go down the route of asking how the proposed GRA changes would ensure that women's spaces would be protected from men with bad intentions who claim to be trans. I'd also like to make a point of definitions of different types of trans identifying men (particularly AGP) and ask whether they think they should all have access to women's spaces, and how under current or proposed law they/we can tell which ones are to be allowed into women's spaces and which ones not.

Perhaps also throw in a bit about could they confirm if they think that women should be allowed to discuss concerns about safety in women's spaces without being threatened with violence or silenced (RE WPUK meetings but also side eye at MNHQ who have made some decisions on the subject that seem informed by TRA bully groups more than women. )

Thoughts welcome - what else should I include?

MrsSnippyPants · 17/02/2020 14:41

So much for me being brief:

Dear Mr Vickery,

Thank you for your response of the 13th February. You state that you hope you can sufficiently answer any further questions I may have, but have failed to respond to most of the questions I asked in my email of the 22nd January. Perhaps you could answer those then we can move on from there?

Also, you stated: Under the Equality Act, trans people should be treated according to the gender with which they identify.
I am unable to find the part of the EqA2010 that states this, perhaps you would be so kind as to send me the relevant quote? I am pretty certain it states no such thing, but will be happy to be corrected.

Again, you stated: Anybody seeking access to spaces such as toilets or changing rooms for malicious or violent purposes can and should be dealt with under existing criminal laws.
Mr Vickery, the whole point of safeguarding, of providing women and girls with single sex spaces, is to PREVENT harm. Not one single woman or child should suffer harm due to single sex spaces being made mixed sex, not one. Single sex spaces provide one of the best protections for women and girls; an absence of men. Dealing with a crime afterward is no consolation to victims, when simple safeguarding measures would have prevented the crime in the first place.

Finally, if you feel unable to respond to this email fully, then perhaps it would be much easier if I just pass on this correspondence trail to my MP and ask him to contact the Minister directly? I really would not want to take up your time if you are unable to provide the answers to my questions.

Please respond as soon as possible, as this issue is very pressing for women and girls who are seeing the law being wilfully misrepresented by lobby groups across all government departments, especially in the NHS and in schools.

Kind regards,

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DuLANGMondeFOREVER · 17/02/2020 14:25

Excellent emails, ridiculous answers!

Gibbonsgibbonsgibbons · 17/02/2020 14:18

Bloody hell Angry

Fabulous letters though! mine tend to wander into the raving category as once I start I can’t stop Blush

MrsSnippyPants · 17/02/2020 13:29

I think that may be the best plan Binterested

I may respond briefly to say that as they seem unable/unwilling to answer my questions I have asked my MP to approach the minister directly on my behalf.

At this point rogdmum I honestly can't say who would be best to write to. I am hearing so many people say their emails are being ignored by their MPs. I think perhaps a proper paper letter to your MP (with an email backing it up, insisting they acknowledge receipt) asking for your concerns to be passed on to the minister.

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NettleTea · 17/02/2020 13:27

trans people is not correct. Transexual people, with a GRC may be treated as women under the Equality act, bar the exemptions therein.

I would also ask about the proposed maximum number of transexual people, for whom the law was intended (I believe the region of 5000 was discussed in the Lords prior to the law being granted) and the number of 'transgender people currently (some give figures of up to 1% of the population, although I think that was a few years back - some schools have reported levels amongst the young as high as 10%) and how the impact on womens single sex services is vastly different

And why the need to change a birth certificate, which records sex (and could, if pushed, be verified by XX, XY markers if we wish to remove any ambiguity caused by this madness, plus also identify the tiny number of intersex - could this be part of the heel prick test?) when they have stated that they are clearly NOT transexuals and are changing their GENDER markers.

perhaps the equality act needs to bring in, rather than the obviously confusing their little brains, sex and gender protections, stick to single chromosomal services. This also would work well for medical stuff.

Procrastinator2 · 17/02/2020 13:14

Whilst we are distracted by the Labour Party, this is the main battle.

Binterested · 17/02/2020 13:12

I believe they do rogdmum. I think they can just forward your letter to the minister asking for comments.

rogdmum · 17/02/2020 13:10

I should add, to say that my MP is unlikely to consider my point of view would be a massive understatement. Is it still worth my contacting them- I.e. would they have to pass my questions onto the relevant minister or could they just ignore my email?

rogdmum · 17/02/2020 13:05

MrsSnippyPants If any of us wanted to write supporting emails (as individuals affected by the issue) who would you recommend we contact? Liz Truss still? I have lost track of who is responsible for what!

MrsSnippyPants · 17/02/2020 13:04

I believe she is currently on maternity leave midclegs

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Binterested · 17/02/2020 13:03

Yes GEO we see you.

If you have the stomach for it, it’s better to write to your MP and ask them to ask the minister to respond to your points. That way the minister has to see and sign the letter. It’s still written by the CS but as it’s MP to MP the minister gets involved.

I would literally ask the minister to comment on whether considerations such as dignity and privacy are being disregarded now as this is what this letter implies.

midclegs · 17/02/2020 13:03

And thanks Mrs Snippy - great letter. Mine have been a little more 'ragey' I'm afraid.

midclegs · 17/02/2020 12:59

Could we try to get an appointment with Kemi Badenoch? She is the new Minister for Women is she not? Working under Liz Truss?

MrsSnippyPants · 17/02/2020 12:59

Thank you.
I am working on my next response but I'm just in a rage this morning!

They are just making things up; do they actually believe this stuff?

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