Janice Turner on Labour's trans pledge

I appreciate your going to all that trouble

That's very kind Floisme. I only needed to be absolutely clear it was a quote to avoid linking to Pink News which lots of posters prefer to avoid.

In retrospect, the article was probably more important than it seemed at the time. There is huge pressure on women to conform to physical ideals - particularly the curvy yet size zero look - and to remain looking as if they have not experienced childbirth.

Yes Aesopfable. Any murder is dreadful. And of course Brazil is a very populous country with a high murder rate overall so that needs to be placed in context.

(Any murder is terrible)

Thank you too nettie, I appreciate your going to all that trouble, especially with the language. I've been trying to remember what I was doing in 2013 to miss all the kerfuffle!

the murder rate of transgender people is high in Brazil

But still only a fraction of the rate for other men, and lower than women too.

Aaargh - how did I miss Aliasundercover’s posts. I wasted so much time trying to write it too, worrying about the language.

Wow I had never seen Suzanne Moore speak up before this week. Yes she does normally write for The Guardian so who know what's going on there.

Suzanne Moore got into trouble in 2013 for writing that “[Women] are angry with ourselves for not being happier, not being loved properly and not having the ideal body shape – that of a Brazilian transsexual.”

I am using the exact quote so people who don’t remember it can see why it caused such a huge furore, mainly because people felt that it was tasteless because the murder rate of transgender people is high in Brazil. I think by 2013 most people were using the term transgender too.

I think this is why she has been quiet on the topic. However I have seen a few more comments recently. She was a very good friend of Deborah Orr who also changed her views.

YES lynnschmob that exactly.

Not really sure why any politician is on twitter tbh. Read it sometimes, maybe,but actually have an account and use it? Insane.

alias thanks for the Suzanne Moore / Julie Burchill articles. I can't believe how I managed to miss all that!

I think a lot of it is to do with politicians thinking that using twitter means they are directly talking to the electorate when actually it means they are engaging with a self selecting bunch of aggressive gob shites.

They've outsourced their brains and moral compasses to 'brilliant' newly graduated policy advisers who think that being young confers unique wisdom when they will, eventually, find out the reverse is the case.

Political campaigning used to be a form of evangelism. It has become advertising.

What puzzles me is why politicians are pivoting to an issue which is a massive vote loser not only among conservative voters but liberal voters too.

I'm reading I stand with Kate Scottow via the Spectator app app.spectator.co.uk/2020/02/14/i-stand-with-kate-scottow/content.html

And another great article. I am loving the clear, rational articles that have come out today. Not so loving your treatment Kate S. Hopefully people and level-headed politicians have been reading these articles and will start to think clearly.

It's a great article but I think now is the time for writers to underscore that this is dressed up as TRA when it's nakedly MRA. Then it all becomes crystal clear

Extremely interesting part from Lachlan Stuart. Which we all know and can see, but good to have him confirm it.

Janice is wonderful.

It’s brilliant to have all these published articles.

Love the way Janice isn’t afraid to name, names.

Sorry if it's been posted before: Debbie Hayton in the Evening Standard

www.standard.co.uk/comment/comment/as-a-trans-labour-party-supporter-i-m-exasperated-a4362306.html

for you Janice as always.

Janice is such an eloquent writer. I love her

Janice

You fucking rock 👏💪💪💪💪

OMG Suzanne Moore's piece, amazing. I'm so pleased she's not gone Guardian woke.

I've turned away from Labour over this. The one thing that comforts me on this issue is it's likely to be a gift to the RW press to bash Labour and SNP with. The election has shown how effective this is. Also it's batshit and most voters know it.

I hope this shit dies soon. I want to go back to my comfy lefty slippers. I liked a tweet by Toby Young today about Harry Miller. Toby Young! FFS!

Here's a good column from Burchill talking about the incident:
blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/04/i-knew-i-was-right/

Very clear and well explained article. The comments are as interesting and to the point as the article; the days are past where articles had a lot of 'yawn, student politics, uppity women getting what they deserve for wanting equality' responses. Readers are getting it, they're well informed and they're angry. Increasing mention of 'the time for being polite is over'. I do agree.

Good work once again Janice Turner.

Re: Suzanne Moore
She's kept her head down for the last 5 or 6 years since this:
www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/suzanne-moore-apologises-to-transgender-community-1533986
The same incident led to Julie Burchill being sacked from The Guardian.

They really don't, do they? No campaigning for third spaces, or trans specialist refuges, or trans sports competitions, or anything. Just shout and threaten till they take women's stuff away.

Brilliant article, Janice. As I'm hetero, I'm take Lachlan Stuart for my one and only, because that is exactly what is happening.

All these trans organisations have so much money but they do zilch about campaigning for or provising adequate health provision, refuges etc. for transpeople