Scottow verdict: Guilty

Exactly ova

The latter is just the objective truth, in some contexts it might be impolite but it's a dangerous road to go down to force people to repeat lies
OK, but why would you (general you) go down the route of repeatedly saying things about a person?
Trans women aren't doing anything wrong if they're just going about their lives, minding their own business. Why would anyone single people out? That's the issue here

To add, I don't think harassing people is okay but Twitter is not real life. The whole platform is set up to follow individuals and comment on their content. It's not the same as standing outside someones home or following them to their workplace.

You're sympathetic to their viewpoint even if not the specific words they use and it's influencing your judgement, Willis. If it wasn't you'd be able to see the different between a threat (X should die in a fire) and a comment that might hurt someone's feelings (X is a man).

The difference is that you agree with the people tweeting "Die TRF" and so on, Willis, much as you don't want to admit it*

Never, EVER have I said I agree with people saying that. Read what I put. I said anyone saying that is beyond disgusting.
Which they are.

Why is it an either or situation? Obviously telling women to die in a fire or to suck your 'girldick'? is beyond disgusting.
Why is it OK to repeatedly call trans women men or repeatedly harass them online though? (Generally speaking, not about one person in particular)

The former has violent and rapey intent. The latter is just the objective truth, in some contexts it might be impolite but it's a dangerous road to go down to force people to repeat lies.

In the context of discussing the rights and material reality of women and girls it doesn't cut it in most situations to pretend we are talking about women when we mean men. It makes it near impossible to talk about gender and sex coherently, form meaningful analysis and recognise the axis of oppression.

Which of course is why some people want to criminalise calling men men, so we can't have those discussions.

Who were you speaking about Willis

Just say it.

Or are you just pondering on this thread about Kate Scottow

The difference is that you agree with the people tweeting "Die T*RF" and so on, Willis, much as you don't want to admit it, and don't agree with the things Kate was saying. Which is interesting in that the former is a threat and the latter was at worst a bit rude.

The legal distinction should be threats illegal, rudeness not.

Kate

Speaking the truth is a hate crime equivalent to death threats? Srsly?

Do you think that calling male people 'men' is the equivalent of telling women to die in a fire or to suck your 'girldick'?

Why is it an either or situation? Obviously telling women to die in a fire or to suck your 'girldick'? is beyond disgusting.
Why is it OK to repeatedly call trans women men or repeatedly harass them online though? (Generally speaking, not about one person in particular)

It happens to women politicians. Women journalists.

It happens to,women

Twitter were pulled up about by a parliamentary committee.

Does it stop

Nope

I am feeling especially annoyed this evening.

I hope The peelers are ready for multiple reports tomorrow morning.

How Sharon

Threats just say die terf. Or rape a terf or die in a grease fire

Death to,terfs and so on

Or send a picture of a baseball bat.

from numerous accounts

You worry about young people on SM

Do you think that calling male people 'men' is the equivalent of telling women to die in a fire or to suck your 'girldick'?

I'm asking purely out of general interest, obviously all of these examples could fall under the catch-all category of 'causing annoyance'.

Did you see what I said up the thread about all the threats women receive on SM

Targeted from one person? Or multiple people?

You have to be very careful to keep it about debate, not personalities

I agree, there's a fine line

Willis, are you seriously arguing that an organized harassment campaign against a woman by a gang of men is a one off tweet while one person saying something twice is a crime?

That's just, it, isn't it? How can you not see if you were sending tweets/public messages on social media repeatedly harrassing trans people by saying "bunch of men" or "bunch of women" or whatever, how is that OK?
You shouldn't target individuals online the fact you're male or female is neither here or there.

Sharon
Did you see what I said up the thread about all the threats women receive on SM.
any thoughts ?

Speak to the police if you feel threatened or harassed!

Sharon

Did you see what I said up the thread about all the threats women receive on SM.

any thoughts ?

The Communications Act 2003 is not compliant with international human rights law because it disproportionately interferes with our Article 10 rights to freedom of expression.

Any of us could fall foul of this law if it suited someone to complain to the police and if it suited the police and the CPS to pursue the matter.

This is a catch-all law.

It's illegal to cause annoyance, inconvenience or needless anxiety to someone by the persistent use of a public electronic communications network. The courts have ruled that social media platforms such as twitter or fb are public electronic communications network. Persistent use would include your responses in any prolonged argument you get into, with anyone, about anything, anywhere on social media.

I wonder if the courts would decide that forums like Mumsnet are public electronic communications networks. I see no reason why they wouldn't be, if twitter and fb are.

Some people on this thread are causing me annoyance right now.

Putting aside the attempts at a creative writing workshop, does anyone here know whether Kate Scottow was found guilty of an offence under section 127(2), or was section 127(1) invoked?

Willis, are you seriously arguing that an organized harassment campaign against a woman by a gang of men is a one off tweet while one person saying something twice is a crime?
Criminy!

The person Kate was found guilty of upsetting with her hurty-words appeared in court for 21 offences and was once locked up for 6 months

Worth repeating.

Yet women are told to be kind.