Scottow verdict: Guilty

@WotchaTalkinBoutWillis

Yes there is a difference. You are right to spot it.

Why is it different - because repeated , targeted messaging can be threatening.

This is similar conduct that female MPs have to endure. The same offences are used to prosecute the offenders.

You have to be very careful to keep it about debate, not personalities. Being provoked is not a real defence.

I'm letting Kate gather herself before asking if the judgment can be made public

What's this referring to, the judgement is public, was found guilty?

Nosharon

I can't say I'm happy to see a conviction if I'm honest but that has no reflection on whether or not I think it was deserved or not. I just don't like to see people ruin their future prospects when emotions get the better of them. A conviction of this nature is unlikely to be great for a career in foresic psychology. Sad really but we could also say actions have consequences.

For many it is a shock when the law intervenes in a matter they are personally and emotionally involved in and acts in a very black and white manner with respect to things like have we made out the points to prove beyond reasonable doubt? In KS case I'm not sure the grossly offensive bit would have stood up to heavy scrutiny? Many people get called much worse. That's not to say it was acceptable.

In a way in respect of both judgements it's heartening to see that the law is no prisoner to emotion and will not be swayed by bluster from either trench. The judge in Harry's case did well to balance his personal freedom of speech whilst preventing him having the prize of an open season on minority groups whilst refusing them recourse to complaint.

before asking if the judgment can be made public

It's in the public domain?

SpartacusLangClegicus

I get you, I do but I trust some people more than others.

I'm letting Kate gather herself before asking if the judgment can be made public. I think she deserves that much

Nobody is going to jail as far as I know?

I think we should all raise complaints and ask the CPS to prosecute each & every time that we receive the "Die TERF" or "Suck my girldick" on Twitter

See, to me. there's a glaring difference there.
Is it just the one off tweet of someone posting a disgusting tweet, and you're referring to singular tweets and people, or does the same person repeatedly send tweets about you?
There's a difference

The idea that anyone should go to jail for upsetting someone else on the internet is an absolute disgrace

Why is it OK to constantly tweet about an individual (ie targeted), why is it a disgrace to think you shouldn't be abusive towards people online?
I don't get it.
How is that OK?

I think we should all raise complaints and ask the CPS to prosecute each & every time that we receive the "Die TERF" or "Suck my girldick" on Twitter ...

After all, these are tweets intended to annoy, hurt & harass.

I hope a lot of you on here take some cautionary advice from her tale

ooooooo, I'm really scared.

statsgeek1 good post. Not familiar with the second case of Harry though, so got a little lost half way through.

To me and I suspect to the judge, this wasn't an issue about trans. It was an issue of abuse (or whatever the charge was) on the internet. I'm sure they hear all manner of cases under that legislation and I'm glad that a conviction was handed down.

Our children are all growing up in a SM age. I am happy with the outcome today, though I have no interest in the trans/feminist aspect of it. It will mean that our children are safer and people can be convicted.

SpartacusLangClegicus

Dr em has a great thread with court notes. As does Maya. As do others. Kate had been as open as she was allowed to be seeing as she is still facing private prosecution by hayden.

Personally I think anyone who claims Kate brought this on herself is part and parcel of the problem. But then again I center women in my feminism

knew all about her, her kids, pets and movements

One could describe that as stalking, which is apparently much less serious than offending someone.

Yes Kate set up accounts to circumnavigate a Twitter ban that ensued after she'd been mass reported but after her arrest she didn't mention nor contact hayden on sm.

Hayden has admitted in court that they went looking for Kate and knew all about her, her kids, pets and movements

Re the "pig in wig" stuff someone posted above, I will also note the misogyny at work there. Insult the appearance of a male person, if you are female, and apparently that's appalling. Insult the appearance of a female person, regardless of your sex, and that's just a regular day anywhere. If the police were to decide to treat comments on the appearance of female people with the same level of sensitivity and concern for our feelings they'd have to shut down half the internet.

as a slight aside - I note that Kate was charged in relation to the Communications Act 2003 which superseded the Telecommunications Act 1984. Facebook was founded in 2004, YouTube in 2005, Twitter in 2006. People are being prosecuted using outdated legislation that does not reflect the realties of social media in the 21st century.

I think this is central and we are going to see problems with this Act over and over again until it is amended.

In the olden days before the internet if you said something down the pub that was speech and if you put it in writing to an individual that was a written communication and if you distributed a written communication more broadly that was publishing.

The law has not kept up with our new habit of just chatting but doing it in writing on the internet. I would hate for there to be written evidence of every bullshit pronouncement I have made down the pub since the mid 80's yet more and more this is how we are socialising, this is how we are engaging with each other - on social media platforms, in writing.

I hate being told to die terf

I hate being told kill the terfs.

I hate that stuff.

Am probs guilty of hate crime

Cosigned!

Did the police not lose the tapes of her interview. ?

I heard that

It appears that her tweets were directed (unlike Harry's)

I think that's the main difference between the two and the different outcomes.

Kate did not set up multiple accounts to harass hayden

No, but if you read the rest of my post, I said it has been said that multiple accounts have been set up (think I saw a post of Kate's herself that said there was a few accounts, but just to circumnavigate the Twitter rules on banning and nothing more nefarious than that? Correct me if I'm wrong but sure I saw that, maybe not those exact words)
So several accounts were set up if so.
If your accounts are discussing any individual in the public domain, you can't expect them to never come across them. You're not in your own private chit chat on the internet
Anyone would be upset with seeing stuff constantly about them. Well, I know I would.