LGB Conservatives think the Tory party is captured too.

Vulvamort's twitter questions from October 2018 remain unanswered & should be put to the current Conservative government & The Rt Hon. the Lord Lansley in the House of Lords.

twitter.com/HairyLeggdHarpy/status/1052296768115888128

"Here's even more NHS clarity:

“The Current Gender input controls are used to record the gender, according to how a patient currently describes themselves, whereas the Sex input controls records their phenotypic sex”

The NHS know EXACTLY the difference between sex and gender.

So maybe Andrew Lansley was confused then?

Nope.

He was one of the few Tories who voted for the #GRA2004, to allow gender to supercede sex in priorities. He was aware of the difference in 2004, and he was aware when he became Health Secretary.

And Andrew Lansley was aware when the NHS team brought up the fact with him that he was asking them to segregate wards by self-declared gender identity, but calling it sex. Because they DID bring that up.

And he explicitly told them it was to be represented to the public as SEX

So what I'd like to know, is WHY?

Why,
@ AndrewDLansley
, didn't you tell us wards were never in fact same sex, but same gender, which is to say, often mixed sex?

Why were we misled?

The NHS knew.
You knew.
Why couldn't we know?

And now that the NHS are projecting that the numbers of people identifying as transgender have changed from the 2004 projections of 5000 people
... to the 2018 projections of TWO MILLION people

This doesn't seem like an insignificant impact to hide any more."

AI1Langdownthecleghole
It could be that company you’re thinking of was actually the Perm Sec of civil service in Scotland, Leslie Evans, tweeting from Scot gov account abasing herself and gov before Stonewall. Can’t find the tweet! Thought I had saved it.

Sue Pascoe has enjoyed rapid rising success in media & politics since first testifying to the Women's & Equalities APPG Trans Enquiry about recent 'transitioning' experiences.

Sue Pascoe's own words on the LGBT+ Conservative site:
(extract)
"My career went from strength to strength. I became partner of a very well respected accounting firm. We had a lot of money and a beautiful home. However, when my wife became pregnant with our first son, her feelings towards my identity as Sue changed. She felt that to be good parents, there wasn’t space for Sue in our lives. I needed to be seen to be male and only male.

For more than 20 years, I did my best. But in my 50s, once my children had grown up, I felt I had to explore my feminine side again. I finally told my wife I needed to seek professional help without guilt, and I needed to be honest with our children. She felt our relationship couldn’t continue and filed for divorce. Unfortunately it was very acrimonious, and included bitter disputes and the freezing of assets.

At my lowest point I was homeless, penniless, without my family and living with health problems and gender identity issues. I had lost everything. It was only then that I started living as Sue full time.

Eventually I spoke to my doctor and saved up for surgery. I went to India for my gender surgeries. The NHS could not support me without many years of waiting." (continues)
www.lgbtconservatives.org.uk/news/idahotb-my-story-sue-pascoe

August 2018 thread following Sue Pascoe's appointment as diversity adviser to Channel 4:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3331095-Channel-4-appoints-a-new-advisor-on-inclusion

OP @Barracker wrote Tue 16-Oct-18
'We've been lied to about 'Single SEX' wards since 2010'

medium.com/@anneharperwright/sex-gender-the-nhs-1e8f4e6363a6

They were ALWAYS based upon 'gender'.
The evidence is in NHS documents from 2010.
And the Department of Health were told, by the NHS team, not to tell people wards were segregated by sex, because they knew the policy was based on gender.

But the DOH purposefully used the word sex to the public instead.

We've been deliberately misled."

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3396859-Weve-been-lied-to-about-Single-SEX-wards-since-2010

see also this twitter thread with evidence:
twitter.com/HairyLeggdHarpy/status/1052296768115888128

From April 2018:

Cabinet Minister Liz Truss has incurred the wrath of the transgender community – and risked angering the Prime Minister – by supporting Mumsnet users leading a backlash against militant transgender activists.

Ms Truss, Chief Secretary to the Treasury, posted a magazine article on Twitter which praised the internet forum for letting its users ‘question the tenets’ of transgenderism – such as whether ‘self-defined gender trumps biological sex’. Last night she was condemned by the transgender lobby as a ‘terf’, a derogatory term used for feminists they deem to be transphobic.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5642853/Cabinet-minister-prompts-transgender-row-backing-Mumsnet-users.html

On the subject of things being kicked into the long grass - did anyone spot this from two days ago?

The government has delayed publication of its long-awaited decision on changes to the Gender Recognition Act, but it is expected to make a call on whether to push ahead with allowing people to legally self-identify their gender as soon as next month. Liz Truss, the trade secretary and women’s and equalities minister, is leading on the policy
www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/feb/12/labour-leadership-row-over-support-for-trans-rights-charter

And to think some of us were concerned in case an idealistic but impressionable intern had ruined her career

I agree that Johnson is probably too smart / streetwise to actively pursue changing the law on self ID (although it does worry me that they won't publish the consultation results). But a leader who was smart but also ... let's say untrustworthy, lazy, vain and not interested in detail could still be played. It just needs a different line of attack.

I don't know Cummings' opinion on this (though I imagine he's GC) but I think he's very much aware what will and won't play well in the North. As this is very much a 'bubble' issue then I think there's every reason to be positive, all the more so since MPs like David Davies have seen which way the wind is blowing.

It's on her LinkedIn. Transport. Been there since Jan 2019.

It was recently reported that Civil Servants regularly move around within the Service as a way of getting pay rises, so it'll be interesting to see where she ends up.

Oh no Time what a joke. Do you know which Dept? Education? Health?

I do think we need to go beyond MPs at some point. It's really the senior civil servants at the root of this as there has been so much change and then there's Brexit of course.

I write to my MP al the time, I really need to go and see him.

Oh yes @Floisme I'm not saying the lobbyists have packed up and gone home. Just in the LGB Conservatives thread it said the Tories are strongly allied to Stonewall and "won't hold out much longer". Depending on what that is referring to (I had assumed self ID), I think that this government really won't touch that issue as there is no political will, indeed quite the opposite.

However, over the next five years, our lobbying should focus on getting the department of health to stop experimentation on children plus proper research into trans treatment of adults to improve outcomes. The dept of education issuing guidance to schools to get mermaids et al out of the classroom and for gender to be taught as a belief not fact. Home office to issue guidance to the CPS and to the police for correct recording of crimes. Prisons to state no trans women on the women's estate. Etc etc! I'm sure the list is endless.

Personally I think the above GC positions line up with this government's general world view much more so than the other parties, and certainly more than stonewall's position does. Whether they think it is important enough to do something about it is another matter.

It seems our non-favourite Mumsnet intern now works for the Civil Service, less than two years after the furore she caused on here re. the data breach.

Apparently someone in the CS thought this was a suitable appointment.....

The GRA reform consultation was initiated by the cross-party Women & Equalities Select Committee in the House of Commons, not the government. The government department then agreed to a consultation based on those recommendations.

I'm not saying that certain Tory MPs, including ministers weren't supportive of the changes, but I'd put money on that's why staunch Brexiteer Penny Mordaunt lost the Equalities portfolio when Boris took over. " Do you believe TWAW, Penny?" "Yes. " "You're fired."

And I can't believe Cummings subscribes to identity politics either. I have written to him.

Well we know that Boris took issue with the police and the Kate Scottow arrest because he wrote about it in one of the papers.

However this was well before he was PM with a stinking majority and it's not like Boris won't do what's best for Boris so he could blow either way but he does have a somewhat canny sense of what drives Joe Public and it isn't this (outside of Twitter).

Personally I doubt he thinks it's in his best interest to pursue this issue and I assume the cabinet will fall in line with what he and Cummings want (or face the chop). You can never be quite sure though.

This makes todays court cases even more important because it's more or less guaranteed the top layer of gov will read about them.

Put it this way - I simply don't believe they woke up on December 13th and thought, 'Ah well, 'that's it for another ten years.'
They will regroup, rethink and come for our rights again. We just don't know when, where or how.

It's the institutional capture that is so terrifying.

I've forgotten which company it was now, but I've seen something about a major company, possibly in insurance, apologising for not making the Stonewall top 100 or some such and promising to do better in future.

And that's what we are up against. Companies, charities, institutions and politicians worried about not being on the Stonewall good list.

It's absolutely right to be concerned. There are a number of new gay male tory MPs - nothing wrong with that except experience tells us that when gay men get into power they very speedily align themselves with anti women groups. We can be certain that Stonewall have been and will continue to woo them, wine and dine them, involving them in publicity and award ceremonies etc until they are well and truly in Stonewall's pocket. We only have to look at the current examples in the Lords to see this in action. They will not be friends to women or sympathetic to women's rights if there are men's needs to be pandered to.
Whether being in the pocket of a lobby group meets the standards of the Nolan principles of public life is a question that must repeatedly be asked.

Yes agree they will be lobbying, just think they won't receive a neutral or positive response in the way they did in the last government. Not that the tories give a shit about women's rights, but they certainly know a vote loser when they see one...

Prepping MPs across the range of concerns is v wise, especially on the more insidious areas around data categorisation, CPS over reach, NHS provision and guidance for local authorities.

I'm not saying I think they'll try and introduce self ID - it's not in their manifesto anyway. But that's not the only danger - we've already seen how institutional capture can circumvent the law.
There's absolutely no way they won't be lobbying this government - we're just not seeing how yet.

I doubt the tories will touch this at all. There is no desire within government to do it (ie no true believers in the way there was with Maria Miller) plus they can see it has been utterly toxic for labour, the LD, the SNP.

What is the upside for them to touch it? The electorate they have just won a stonking majority from either don't give a shit or are actively opposed, their traditional voters hate it and they don't need metropolitan woke dudes to vote for them. They have huge ambitions for government, why would they want to burn vast amounts of political capital on such an unpopular policy?

Sorry LGB conservatives, I don't buy it.

I’ve been to see mine twice. He’s a bit slow in the uptake but did say a third space would be a solution. I’ve also hijacked another Tory MP at an unrelated event & he got it too. AND a Tory mayoral candidate who I enlightened. Any opportunity I will take. I won’t be silent or complicit.

A GC group needs to meet with them. Maybe WPUK wouldn't want to (or maybe they would, it is the government after all) but there are many groups.

I've posted about this before but I'm quite concerned we're all so busy watching Labour that we're in danger of forgetting who actually holds the power. I'm sure the TWAW lobby won't be making this mistake.

I agree with you.

Everyone who has a Tory MP needs to get in touch with them on this issue.

Also, remember that people react to issues close to their heart and are more likely to take things seriously if they know they might be affected.

People aren't too bothered about trans people or issues about transitioning children, etc because they think it doesn't apply to their child or them.
But if schools are forcing through gender identity education, males are allowed in Girl Guides, a woman can longer have a right to ask for a female HCP, etc etc these actually help focus people's minds on the reality of trans ideology and how it has consequences for them. We must ensure people are aware of the implications ... Once people realise they will be affected and there's no hiding from these conflicts of interest, they will start to demand that politicians do something about it.

I’m going to see my Tory MP.

First question - what is a woman?