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Keir Starmer has now signed the 'trans pledge

115 replies

jadefinch · 13/02/2020 10:25

Every Labour leadership candidate has now signed a document that says women meeting to discuss women's issues is 'hateful' and something that must be 'fought against'.

twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1227878854183792642?s=19

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PerfectParrot · 13/02/2020 17:22

With all the attacks on safeguarding I would 100 percent want to know what my kids are being taught in SRE and reserve the right to remove them from it.

I haven't read the full thread yet, but just wanted to clarify this. Parents only have the right to remove children from the sex education part of statutory SRE, not the relationships aspects. The list of stuff you can remove you kids from is basically the "Intimate and sexual relationships, including sexual health" box (page 29) from the document linked below. Trans issues would form part of the teaching on protective characteristics, which comes under "respectful relationships, including friendships" and parents do not have the right to withdraw their child from that.

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/805781/Relationships_Education__Relationships_and_Sex_Education__RSE__and_Health_Education.pdf

Please note that I'm not an expert on this (nor is anyone yet), my info comes from a training course run by the PSHE association who said they'd found it difficult to get any government representative to clarify exactly what the right to withdraw covers.

R0wantrees · 13/02/2020 17:22

I think that this is possible, R0wantrees. Politicised genderism has been on campuses for a few years now.

Mossyrock Eden Ladley is the current NUS Trans Officer 2019/20 & one of the 21 founding signatories & there are a few current Young Labour Officers.

Whatisthisfuckery · 13/02/2020 17:05

Well then, Labour can officially fuck right off then. Guess I’m politically homeless until someone else fills the void.

Enjoy your years in the wilderness Labour. I’d tell you to #expellme but I already left, so fuck you.

Mockersisrightasusual · 13/02/2020 16:04

Where are the brave politicians?

Well they can't be hiding, by definition.

So maybe there aren't any?

AliceDownARabbitHole · 13/02/2020 16:02

Oh well, labour won't be getting into power for a very long time then. Seems they learnt nothing from their defeat.

CaptainKirksSpikeyGhost · 13/02/2020 16:00

Where are the brave politicians?

That's a contradiction of terms surely?

Lordfrontpaw · 13/02/2020 15:57

All to appease a small group.

Giving away rights that either aren’t yours to give or won’t effect you in your ivory tower.

Well done. Cheers. We won’t forget this, mate!

Mossyrock · 13/02/2020 15:57

It may be that the NUS Trans officers & delegates have graduated from student politics to party politics.

I think that this is possible, R0wantrees. Politicised genderism has been on campuses for a few years now.

Alice Miller's well-known 'For Your Own Good' is one. Gita Serenay also wrote several excellent ones.

I'm going to check those out. Thanks Michelleoftheresistance

FredaFrogspawn · 13/02/2020 15:54

They are such cowards. If enough people say red is green enough times with enough threats If you don’t say you will support red is green, the majority will cave.

Where are the brave politicians?

Mockersisrightasusual · 13/02/2020 15:45

"I believe that male bodies become female when you say the magic words."

It truly is Trans-substatiation.

R0wantrees · 13/02/2020 15:42

seems like even the lgbt pledge isnt woke enough for the woke stasi of the Labour party. Is this what it looks like when a political party cannibalizes itself?

It may be that the NUS Trans officers & delegates have graduated from student politics to party politics.
It does sound vaguely familiar Hmm

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3237230-NUS-Conference-breaks-down-after-the-UK-Border-Force-Arrive

MaMaLa321 · 13/02/2020 15:41

but the pledge he signed was more or less the same, just left out the libellous bits. That's all.

zanahoria · 13/02/2020 15:40

Starmer won't sign the pledge as he is going to win.

The others would never have signed if they thought they were going to win.

A purge of those dimensions would ruin Labour.

TheHumansAreDefinitelyDead · 13/02/2020 15:34
Sad
Dozer · 13/02/2020 15:30

FFS.

bellinisurge · 13/02/2020 15:29

Oh well. That's Labour down the pan. Self-indulgent unthinking drivel that actually harms women. Handing it on a plate to the Tories.

MaMaLa321 · 13/02/2020 15:26

I feel like making a needlepoint cushion with your comment on it hullygully
They are indeed all cunts

ChattyLion · 13/02/2020 15:11

Argh! Can’t believe all of them have signed up for this misogynistic dross. They should be absolutely ashamed of themselves. We won’t forget. Even if this is a party decades away from power this really does matter that they will endorse woman-hating so easily. They know the issues. They’re not naive or stupid. Just too scared to stand up for women. Sad

BentBastard · 13/02/2020 14:54

I'm inclined to agree with Jois.

They're not going to be electable for a while anyway, so give em the rope...

R0wantrees · 13/02/2020 14:53

Thu 18-Oct-18 OP (I) wrote, 'Stephen Whittle influential TRA asserts 'We know we have Labour behind this one, so will simply do our best to get them elected' & Corbyn seems to confirm this at Pink News'

(extract)
"Yesterday on a thread condemning Stephen Whittle's use of predicted suicide, he joined and commented confidently:

In the end we will pull ourselves together and continue the campaigning – as we have always done. We know we have Labour behind this one, so will simply do our best to get them elected. As I tell the community “we have always lost more battles than we have won, but we only ever need to win the big one”.

I hope that clarifies matters.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/a3397010-Guardian-article-on-MPs-concern-with-GRA?msgid=81891984#81891984

Last night at Pink News party, Jeremy Corbyn apparently confirmed Whittle's belief:
'PinkNews Awards 2018: Jeremy Corbyn vows support for transgender reforms' (continues)

[[www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3398127-Stephen-Whittle-influential-TRA-asserts-We-know-we-have-Labour-behind-this-one-so-will-simply-do-our-best-to-get-them-elected-Corbyn-seems-to-confirm-this-at-Pink-News]]

Floisme · 13/02/2020 14:52

I must admit there's a part of me thinking 'Bring it on'. If any of these bumptious little twerps really want to go down as the leader who expelled Ruth Serwotka from the Labour Party then good luck to them.

Joisanofthedales · 13/02/2020 14:32

I now want Long Bailey to win. She will serve this up to the public, stridently proclaiming TWAW and pushing child transtion against parental wishes and every time she does the public will become more aware of the issue and more angry at the effects on children and women.
Will this keep the Labour party I have supported all my life until the 2019 election in the political wilderness - yes. Is that deserved - yes.
Hopefully this will give time to the party to rediscover it's roots, start fighting for the working class again, and kick out all the woke bastards destroying the party of my hero James Keir Hardie.

SingingLily · 13/02/2020 14:23

Doesn't make it right, but I'm not surprised he's done it - he couldn't afford to be the odd one out

Sorry to say this, but that looks like something of a pattern with Keir Starmer.

The Rotherham tragedy did not start on his watch but, by God, it continued unhindered on his watch.

As a DPP, he didn't make himself the odd one out then either.

I voted Conservative in December to stop Helen Belcher from becoming an MP. I have also voted Labour in the past but right now, nope...no way.

CaptainKirksSpikeyGhost · 13/02/2020 14:19

They are no friends to women

The the higher up in power you get the more true this is.