Keir Starmer has now signed the 'trans pledge

I don't think they're remotely interested in the public, what the public think or what the public wish them to represent.

I get this sense that if you disagree or question anything labour say, you're either written off as a self serving posh person or as a pleb, depending on how much money you have and where you're from.

Interesting article about this in OutNewsGlobal - mumsnet mentioned in the comments section:
outnewsglobal.com/calling-womans-place-transphobic-is-nonsense-labour-must-rethink/

mossyrock, I give SRE a lot of thought because I work in a secondary school and lead PSHE. Your DC's school should have an SRE policy consultation at some point, and if I were you I'd ask to see the scheme of work for the next year. It might not be ready yet tho. In my school we make the scheme of work available for anyone who asks, because some parents want/need to prepare DC with SEN for some topics.

Shit on women’s rights? Yes - that’s the puppy!

‘Let’s nail this puppy to the floor’

Siobhan Sharpe. W1A

Statutory SRE lessons were introduced after a govt inquiry and originally intended to tackle violence against girls

I'm so politically lost that I don't know whether to pin all my hopes on Kier's slightly-less-extremist position or just give up altogether.

Parents only have the right to remove children from the sex education part of statutory SRE, not the relationships aspects.

Thank you for the clarification PerfectParrot. I might find myself forced to break the law and keep my child home, depending on what the curriculum contained on genderism and who was teaching it. My trust is broken. Five years ago I wouldn't have given SRE lessons a second thought.

Michelleoftheresistance

I think you've summed it up and have it spot on.

They have totally lost touch with the public

I don't think they're remotely interested in the public, what the public think or what the public wish them to represent.

They're the 'post democratic' era Mandelson tried to announce, where they know better than the great unwashed and the aim is to tell, bully, harass and legislate people where their superiors' ambitions and personal agendas demand.

Hence the 'webchats' which involve no listening and much broadcasting of What Nice People Should Think.

They're still totally in denial that the problem with this is that your voters won't vote the way they're scolded to.

I should be at a CLP meeting tonight voting for Starmer but I am too depressed about the whole thing to go. I am politically homeless.

So this is what they believe the working man and woman in the U.K. want.

They have totally lost touch with the public, i assume they think Twitter, US TV shows and the BBC is representative of that public.

So this is what they believe the working man and woman in the U.K. want.

Jobs? Nooooooooo.
More/better affordable housing? Oh nonono.
NHS funding? Heaven forbid?
More police on the street? Nah.
More funding for schools? Why?
Attractive terms for new business? Eh?
More employment - living wages? Whaaa?
Shit on women’s rights? Yes - that’s the puppy!

Oh of course he has. Ffs

I'm done with them.

I'd held out a small hope that this leadership election might signal a real change in so far the party might start listening to voters.

The reality however, is that it's confirmed just how toxic the party is at a grass roots level (why I left btw) that the leadership contest is being fought not on policy/capability but who can best appease the baying mob.

Welcome to decades of Tory government people because Labour isn't just "lost" - it's burned its own map and compass and is dancing round the fire congratulating itself on being warm in the wilderness.

michelleoftheresistance, I totally agree. I just think it is important for parents to know what their actual right to withdraw covers.

It is relevant to this thread, because the pledges about removing the right to withdraw from sex education at secondary school would have precisely zero impact on parents who wish to withdraw their DC from dodgy teaching about gender identity.

Sorry penultimate sentence should read UNELECTABLE

I doubt whether the Labour leadership candidates are happy about the bobby trap that the Labour TRAs have set them; all it has done is shine a light yet again on the toxic culture which exists in LP (in case anyone needs reminding). Contrast their treatment of GC feminists with the anti-semitism that they have allowed to fester.
By signing this declaration they will be implementing an ideology purity test, including compelled speech, denial of facts and science, and forcing people to lie. But it gets worse. They have dishonestly smeared WPUK and LGB Alliance as hate groups, and have cheered and celebrated at their party conference when feminist were threatened and harassed at an entirely law abiding meeting. They plan to remove the existing legal rights of women and girls to safety, privacy and dignity, and have dishonestly framed this as progressive. Members who dissents from any of this will be expelled from the party like a Stalinist purge.
Anyone with a knowledge of recent history will know what dishonest and undemocratic tactics like these could eventually lead to. If they are prepared to behave like this in opposition, heaven knows what they could do if they ever gained power. Thank goodness this won’t happen in the foreseeable future (I’m commenting from the point of view of a life-long labour voter, until the last election).
Fortunately the majority of the general public are not the idiots the LP think they are (did they read the Ashcroft report?). We can see straight through the Labour bullshit and we know that the Emperor has no clothes. This latest woke farce by the LP is a timely reminder to the general public of why they are electable. I hope the LP enjoys its erasure, as a prominent TRA once said to women.

Trans issues would form part of the teaching on protective characteristics, which comes under "respectful relationships, including friendships" and parents do not have the right to withdraw their child from that.

However if that teaching comes to involve teaching anti-woman activism as 'truth', then I'll withdraw my children and they can take me to court. Bring it on. I'll also be making the biggest media fuss over it that I can possibly manage.

From Twitter

When oh when will Labour see?
that I am a Woman,
and only woman is me?
That I was a girl,
a female teen,
These things make a Woman,
Not just a feeling or dream.

We won’t forget this.

I’ve seriously had it with Labour. It’s just a woke shit show and I’m not happy to settle for some peace meal least shite option now. I can see this tunnelling on for the next 4 years. Labour has eaten itself. Useful idiots completely unaware victims of pure entryism. I have no more sympathy. Stupidly of this level is dangerous. They are a Liability for women and children. Bring on an alternative Labour Movement someone with some commons sense PLEASE.

FFS. What an absolute shower of shite the LP now is. Rebecca Wrong-Daily makes me so sad and mad all in one. They are a completely unelectable party and deservedly so and I say that as a hitherto lifelong LP supporter. Not any fucking more.

I wish an interviewer would be brave enough to call them out on this idiocy.
“So, RLB, LN,ET,KS if a 50 year old male sex offender self id’s as a woman, according to you, s/he is now exactly the same as a biological woman and would be allowed into female changing rooms & toilets?”
I would love to hear them all confirm that would be the case & anyone who disagrees is a transphobic bigot because the sooner this is aired in public the better.

"Where are all the brave politicians?" It's not that there are no brave politicians, it's more that politicians don't give a shit about anything other than themselves and their "careers". We've been abandoned. At a time when more women are being killed, women are an increasing proportion of the total number of murder victims, and the already-appalling prosecution rate for rape is falling.

Women need similarly to abandon the left now, en masse.

Sorry, should have said that I'm only talking about secondary schools. I've no idea what the rules are in primary.