Nandy on R4

She has a friend who is transitioning. So - she knows things.

So if she was my friend she would be battling for red haired people and waging war against arses who abuse people with red hair.

Labour - is - dead

Very upsetting to hear Nandy's views.

Yes, of course the trans person in her constituency should not face bullying or discrimination. What reasonable person would think they should? Not WPUK, not LGB Alliance.

But this seems to be the sum total of her argument. Be nice, be kind. It's thought terminating - and designed to be.

Unless Nandy and the others look at the bigger picture, and apply some intellectual curiosity and critical thinking to this then we are heading for very dark times.

The sad and stupid thing is that her thinking doesn't do anything to protect trans people. We need proper medical research into cross sex hormones, puberty blockers, the harms caused by surgery. Making gender non conforming people into life long medical patients, with the associated risks to their health, fertility and quality of life, causes irrevocable harm.

Not being able to properly analyse medical and social data due to id defined by gender rather than sex harms all of us.

And just why does she think we have spaces segregated by sex in the first place?

Transwomen are not actual women, Lisa. No mention of transmen of course.

As for child soldiers

Wow. I would like to know on what basis she has classifiedWPUK as a ‘hate group’. Where is the evidence for this? What are her sources? On what basis should they be expelled?

Shouting at the radio while driving isn’t a good start to the day.

What is Starmer’s view about this? I’m a registered supporter and I’ll be pretty pissed off if I have paid £25 for the privilege of spoiling my ballot.

Can’t believe I’m in a position where there are three women to vote for and none of them comes close to suitable.

Listening now.

Honestly, the sheer STUPIDITY of a person who wishes to be in a position to make law, and who intends to do that with a single individual in mind. Yes Lisa, I'd like to be a political leader if it meant I could make policies that benefitted my mates to the exclusion of everyone else.

Batshit crazy, but there for all to hear. Justin Webb clearly baffled and embarrassed for her.

I was very impressed with Justin’s responses. He basically took the line of ‘wtf?’ and let her comments speak for themselves.

Anyone listening who doesn’t have an idea of the issues will have been scratching their heads at her lack of logic.

Sharing this again - it's a great critique:

blogs.spectator.co.uk/2020/02/do-rebecca-long-bailey-and-angela-rayner-have-a-problem-with-trans-people-like-me/

She wants a debate with decency and compassion. She doesn't seem to know that's what WPUK want as well, but the people she supports have tried to stop them with violence and threats, because #nodebate.

So depressed by this. Was going to vote for her but can't now. How can you discuss if everything is so policed that any questions become an expression of bigotry?

If woman's place is a hate group, what about nia, southall black sisters, centre for women's justice, even though fawcett society with their timid support of maybe not silencing all women?

I caught this. She really is an idiot. Justin has been very good on this but I think was genuinely gobsmacked by her stance, as should be anyone with an ounce of common sense.

She is considering one person then. One person = pissing on the rights of 51% (well more than 51% by her reckoning) of the population.

I heard it. I can't tell you how disappointed I am in her on this.

She was idiotic and didn't really answer his questions. The most important one she answered, I thought, was whether there would be any places in the UK where male-bodied people would not be allowed. She said 'No'. On the issue of expulsion, he pushed her. She said she wouldn't want 'people who disagree' expelled, just those who 'want to harm other people'. She came across as a f*wit.

That ‘calm the debate down’ was the line that Starmer used last night on NewsNight. Nandy is taking this line she says to show support to a young transgender person in her constituency.

When she says this, it really does not sound like she has thought much about why people are saying this all or nothing approach is wrong. She is only considering one side of this and that she hasn’t deeply given time and consideration to the fact that there really is a need for keeping single sex spaces and sports and provisions in employment law.

Absolute madness that you can state your position with such conviction without evening defining the words you are saying. What is a Transwoman? What is transphobia? What is non binary if sex isn't binary in the first place? What are the bloody rules?
I've noticed a few labour MPs saying this topic never came up on the doorstep. Of course it didn't, I'm hard pushed to find anyone round my way who knows anything about it, let alone what the implications might be. I'm disappointed in Nandy more than the rest because I know Wigan very well and to me this is a sort of grooming of her constituents who are decent people and will want to do and say the right thing, they'll have a fear of offending so they'll go with it. We can't always articulate why we don't agree with something without it coming across as we just don't like it (= transphobic?) and I think that is being exploited. What are the labour party if they are not a voice to people like us?

She is saying what she sees in tweets and memes - and what her mate tells her. Thick as poo that one.

She thinks that WPUK are causing harm to trans people. But she can't be more specific about this harm. I don't think she know who they are.

Why aren't they reflecting etc....

No the party has been washed - they aren’t thinking for themselves.

The thing is, did they not see what happened with Jo Swinson?! I'm not saying that Jo lost so badly specifically because of her ridiculous stance on this specific issue, but it obviously wasn't a vote winner was it?

Why are they reflecting, self evaluating and learning? It's bizarre!

She is an idiot. But she has a trans friend so that all ok the. She knows everything there is to know. And y’know she’s half Asian so she knows all about oppression. And there are child soldiers (what about those boys sisters and mums who don’t fight - but are kidnapped and raped?)

I wish she could have clarified exactly how a male bodied person changes into a woman......at what point does this miracle happen?

If you start from the truth that TWANW then we can keep protections for women in place.

No logic involved at all, and an appeal for everyone to calm down. Ok Lisa, thanks for that.

She was awful.

...TWAW.... boy soldiers (well, a refreshing change from "violent lesbians" I suppose....blah blah

Meaningless twaddle - and no recognition of women's single sex spaces that are protected under the law, and should remain so.

Keeping women safe is just like keeping child soldiers from opposing armies apart.
Ok Lisa.