Nandy on R4

keeping his head down, a bit cowardly but right now I would take the coward over the lunatics.

Imagine how I feel as a Labour Party member having that as my choice.

This is a pretty high profile one though.

The number of times WPUK is defamed they'd never have time or resources for anything else if they responded every time.

I would hope that some appropriate letters would results in apologies, payments to various causes etc.

Can’t they sue?

WPUK on twitter this morning.

@WomansPlaceUK
We are aware of comments made by Lisa Nandy this morning on
@BBCr4today. We are considering our response. Thank you.

I just listened to it myself, what a disgusting fraud that woman is, telling straight out lies about Woman's Place beinga hate group but all the while calling for a kinder debate.

Where is the evidence?

The hypocrisy is sickening.

This feels like an endless assault on science, rational thought and safety, it’s exhausting. I’m unable to escape it due to family circumstances and if I didn’t have 2 daughters & a father who’d be devastated I’d be happy to die. The harm this ideology is causing is immense.

I wonder upon what basis Nandy thinks that children are chosen to be child soldiers in the first place? I bet they don't line them up and ask them which gender they identify as?

This is not the Labour Party as we know it. It’s is something else and the name needs to be reclaimed and this bunch of numpties thrown out.

They should set up their own party - the ‘Anti Semite Misogynist Boys Party’

It is unbelievable

As a LP member I hope they never get back into power if this is the dangerous shit they're going to peddle.

I agree that WPUK and LGB Alliance should consider a libel action. I'm not usually one for suing people but this is beyond the pale.

My goodness. There are lots of people who know somebody with a disability or long-term condition. Vanishingly few people know things about the disability/condition by osmosis based on this. And that might even be despite the affected person telling them lots of things.

I know people with children who are transitioning. I have known, met ,and worked with trans women (never a trans man). My perspectives and opinions etc. plus view of the science differ from Nandy.

So, both ‘Empire’ and now ‘Sex’ are going to be removed from vocabulary.

Might as well remove ‘Brain’ next - it has also become irrelevant.

Woman’s Place UK might to have to pick out one of the defamers, a high profile one with something to lose, and send them a letter before action for defamation. Long-Bailey wouldn't be a good choice, her judgement is lacking (see her highly fictionalised account of her past) and she would probably have more regard to what the Momentum members think than what would be sensible.

Nandy would be a better choice.

There are also interesting timing choices. It would make sense to get a letter before action sent, and covered in the press, before the ballot opens on 21 February with a deadline for response in the balloting period, that is up to 2 April.

I feel a bit freaked out by all this tbh.

The fact that they are doubling down shows that these four politicians have not given this issue one minute of constructive thought, not considered calmly any of the points that are made so reasonably and eloquently by feminists. Not taken seriously the point that men as a sex class impose risk of violence on women as a sex class.

Stupidity is so much harder to fight ☹️

Agree it sounded as though it was a young person with gender dysphoria she was talking about as the family seemed very involved. Has she not read statistics on desistance and any views suggesting the long waiting list is a good thing for these people as so many change their minds before they have permanent changes done to their bodies with cross sex hormones?
She has a good speaking voice but the content is dangerous nonsense. She has obviously paid no attention to our side of the debate if she thinks women's Place are a hate group.
Shame she wasnt pressed to clarify in what way a male wearing a wig with no other modifications is a woman. What does the word woman mean if men can be women too?
I liked her initially but she is just parroting slogans and doesnt seem to have the intellect to be a party leader or the sort of leader who can resist totalitarianism.
The way to calm down debates is to expel those who disagree with you? Scary.

"What is Starmer’s view about this"

keeping his head down, a bit cowardly but right now I would take the coward over the lunatics.

How do such thick people end up in positions of power?

I know that's not a very constructive comment but it's all I can manage as I sit here awaiting my expulsion.

I agree that Labour will get nowhere near no 10, if they carry on with this policy.

Do they honestly think they will win back the Red Wall by telling people they are Transphobic for not believing TWAW.

They are fucking IDIOTS.

She's based her views on one single young person in her constituency. It's likely, since this is a young person, that many of us would view that person as vulnerable and be sympathetic to their distress.

Has she never heard of the older men who transition and put their wives and children through hell? Has she never heard of Karen White and the disproportionate number of prisoners who identify as trans? Apparently all just vulnerable women with penises to Lisa, and we should all stop being so mean to them.

The only conclusion I can make from these statements is that MPs really do live ina Westminster bubble where they hear rhe voices of corporate lobbies far louder than the electorate's. Make no mistake, Stonewall is very much part of that corporate lobby, it is rainbow washing xorpororate money. I would love to see a break down of their donations to see whether there is direct conflict of interest. If they are being paid by paid by companies that profit from all this, it should be out there.

None of these candidates want to upset Stonewall. In the long run truth will out but the lie is half way round the world before the truth gets its boots on and the candidates only care about this election.

I hope WPUK will have her for defamation. I'll contribute to the crowd funder.

The only positive is that as labour - a party I’ve voted for all my life - won’t be anywhere near power for at least 10 years, labours 100% endorsement of self ID no questions asked won’t become law anytime soon by which point I hope that country will have regained some semblance of sanity

I'm so angry I just realised I posted on the wrong thread...

I am so beyond angry I might have an aneurysm. How dare these people? How DARE they call women a hate group? How dare they slander us for wanting to protect our existing legal rights? How dare they use such moronic comparisons such as violent lesbians and Eritrean boys (WTF?!) and expect to be taken seriously?

The Labour Party is dead. The one positive is that this guarantees no self ID as the tories won't touch it with a ten foot barge pole. Considering the problems the SNP has they'd be wise to quietly drop it too.