Nandy on R4

I thought it was a great interview.
Justin Webb was obviously incredulous at what she was saying, and allowed her enough rope to hang herself. Plus the BBC allowed him to have a gc stance, which is fairly new.

Wow she basically came out and said it. No to penis free spaces.

I hope you never need one and find out the hard way cos there are people I see here who post who have . Thanks for nothing

Interesting thanks Vortex

My mother just phoned having heard this on the radio. She's livid, I got a full blown MN type rant. That's about four months from 'you're a bit het up about all this, I'm sure it's not that bad' to full blown women's lib, how fucking dare they, where's the march in the streets rage.

You'd think there'd be the basic intelligence to notice they're firing up a women's rights movement in the UK and women are starting to organise on a size, speed and scale not seen in decades.

tobee it's my understanding that the trans pledge (including slurs against A Womans Place UK) came in response to Laura Pidcock's previous statement supporting the need to allow women to voice concerns about self ID. I don't know who the individuals are who belong to the Trans socialists group. Some transparency would help.

Nandy's actually basing her entire policy on the leverage of ONE of her constituents being able to get her some woke points. Marvellous

No mention of transmen of course.

Yes. This stood out.

Does Nandy really think that none of us know any transwomen or transmen IRL?

This is a put up job surely? Who's pushed RL-B to come up with the pledge in the first place? At this time?

If this constituent of Nandy's is a girl,

As the painfully woke Nandy repeatedly referred to this young transitioner as 'she', I imagine they are biologically male.

I quit the party last year. I grew up with a deep sense of the Labour party, and the union movement more widely, being a big part of my working class family's life (my father, who left school at 14 to be a miner, later got an NUM scholarship to study).

Two years ago I tried to do my (little) bit at my local party level and was called bigoted and transphobic for raising questions about self-ID. I found some great women to work with, but some party members declined to say anything in public when it mattered, despite telling me in private that they agreed.

I would say that being told now by party leadership hopefuls that I am transphobic because I believe in the material reality of sex is a blow. But the truth is that I largely just feel liberated from loyalty to a party that's been taken over and destroyed by woke teenagers and lefty dude bros (and those in thrall to them).

And that rings no bells? None?

It's 4000% IfNot. That's for girls and over the past decade:

Jesus.

Thanks. x

Miranda Yardley has just been on Talk Radio with Julia HB discussing this. About 8.55. Both unimpressed although I'd have liked to hear a bit more from Miranda but JHB was keen to make her GC views clear so didnt give Miranda much time.

I do hope her ‘friend’ doesn’t detransition. Then where would she be?

On a side note Joanna Cherry is on Question Time tonight, might be worth a watch.
twitter.com/bbcquestiontime/status/1227660200724877314

Just listened. They are playing a numbers game, that's what getting elected is all about, whether in a local, general or leadership election. What shit do I need to chat? It's all about Momentum and the youth vote, and the older voters are increasingly irrelevant. It's a shortsighted race for power, no room for thought, nuance, integrity. I despair.

It's 4000% IfNot. That's for girls and over the past decade:

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/09/16/minister-orders-inquiry-4000-per-cent-rise-children-wanting/

Today is very influential. Policymakers listen to it. I don't think it should be allowed to stand unchallenged. Wpuk should demand airtime to rebut

I have a friend who ... so I feel I know all there is to know about that issue/condition is just about acceptable in a conversation down the pub but as a way of making policy

" It's a shame Nandy didn't bother to do this before making her defamatory comments."

she could be fully aware of what she is doing

Absolute madness that you can state your position with such conviction without evening defining the words you are saying. What is a Transwoman? What is transphobia? What is non binary if sex isn't binary in the first place? What are the bloody rules?

This^^!

If WPUK decide to sue I will donate. I'm skint but so angry.
I also feel REALLY let down by female politicians. Men like Keir Starmer obviously don't give a shit about women's rights and dignity but these are women and they are worse! They are positively eager to do away with the classification "woman" and make every single space unisex! Just elbowing each other out of the way to see who can chuck girls and women under the bus fastest.
If this constituent of Nandy's is a girl, she wants to look into the fact that the rate of girls wanting to "transition" has gone up, what was it? 400%?? Shouldn't she be calling for some kind of urgent enquiry into this, rather than accusing the very women who CARE about safeguarding children of being members of a hate group?!

It looks as though the smears have driven some people to look at what WPUK are actually saying. It's a shame Nandy didn't bother to do this before making her defamatory comments.

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The candidates do not care as legal action will be after the election, all they give a shit about is grandstanding on the issue right now.

She was not properly challenged on wpuk either. In fact Justin allowed her to accuse it of harm as well as hate without pressing her for evidence.

Can’t they sue?

They can but as we've seen, much of the establishment has been captured by the ideology, and if they get into court having spent well over £100,000, and they get a judge wanting to show progressive credentials (anything other than TWAW is transphobia), they could lose and then end up several hundreds of thousands of pounds down.

That's the financial side of things. In addition, the women of WPUK would see their lives consumed by this for a year or maybe for several years.