Emily Thornberry's Statement About Hate Groups/Trans Rights/Labour Pledge

You simply cannot formally declare an innocent group of feminists or an LGB group to be a "hate group", let alone SIGN YOUR NAME to it in a 'pledge' as a political leader

Barracker it really is incredible. What a bunch of craven, clueless sycophants....

ET's handling of this was dire. I was watching Newsnight, live. She said she hadn't signed the pledge. As soon as the programme ended I went to Twitter to read comments. Second tweet that I saw was ET saying she had signed the pledge and her ridiculous, chiding statement.

I am extremely angered by Labour. I'm no longer a member and for the first time in 40 years, I didn't vote for them at the last election.
Politically homeless and so disappointed in Labour.
Am watching Victoria Derbyshire right now but the studio is full of 'Labour voters' so I can't see this issue even being raised except in a 'TWAW way and let's not forget to point out that anyone who denies it is a transphobe and FPUK is a hate group'.
I want to say that I find the Labour party ridiculous but it's more than that. Their attitude towards women is sinister.

If she hadn't signed, she would have been vilified as a terf, and her leadership chances would have been destroyed. It's as simple as that. I actually got the impression she signed under duress

That’s even more depressing than the idiots who signed it willingly. Or are the idiots worse than the coward? God, what a miserable set of options.

What if there were numerous Rachel Dolezal copycats who were born white but changed their appearance and "identified" as black? Would Labour say "yes of course you are, and when anyone claims you're faking it, we'll denounce them as a hate group"?

She's not disagreeing with it. She's adding a bossy coda telling the TRAs to play nicely. This isn't a statement directed to women, it's a way of going even further than her rivals to say that she supports it, but adding her 'authority' to it. She's trying to ride the dragon.

Yes. Just seen it on Twitter.

No, he signed the other one, the less batshit one created by LGBT+ Labour.

Well.
Thats that then.
My membership card in the bin.
I'm no loss to them, though. I'm a woman.

So she's signed something then said part of what she signed she doesn't agree with? Hmmmm.

She is actually worse than Nandy, she has signed the thing then issued a statement contradicting it.

Starmer is hedging his bets that's all. Suspect he knows how bad that trans pledge reads, but he still needs woke cookies.

Sorry, my mistake. Didn't look closely enough.

Has Starmer signed it? He's a bloody lawyer. Surely he hasn't put his name to a document declaring them a 'hate group'?

Starmer has signed a different pledge, the LGBT+ Labour pledge, rather than the trans Labour pledge.

Notable in its absence is the lack of support for women's rights from any of them. I'm done with Labour, they no longer represent me.

Starmer has not signed up to the Labour Trans pledge, he has signed up to the Labour LGBT+ pledge which doesn’t mention hate groups.

If she hadn't signed, she would have been vilified as a terf, and her leadership chances would have been destroyed. It's as simple as that. I actually got the impression she signed under duress.

Good god.

I can't quite believe what they've all signed up to.

They've all lost their minds.

In fact, WPUK and LGB Alliance should publicly declare that they offer their full cooperation to which ever authority it is that determines the status of a group as a hate group.

They should volunteer full access to be examined, publicly, and judged by the official hate group criteria, whatever they may be.

Has Starmer signed it? He's a bloody lawyer. Surely he hasn't put his name to a document declaring them a 'hate group'?
Yes. Just seen it on Twitter.

I hope WPUK and LGB Alliance sue each leadership candidate that has signed a pledge explicitly calling them a hate group.

It is extraordinary that they have done this.
If any harm comes to any woman associated in any way with WPUK or LGB Alliance those leaders are culpable.

You simply cannot formally declare an innocent group of feminists or an LGB group to be a "hate group", let alone SIGN YOUR NAME to it in a 'pledge' as a political leader.

Imagine any of these dangerous idiots in a future government negotiation? "Oh, well, I mostly agreed with the terrorists after they explained to me how hard their lives were. I wasn't quite as comfortable with the line they put in the agreement about executing all puppies but mostly it was on the right tracks so I've signed it now"

Has Starmer signed it? He's a bloody lawyer. Surely he hasn't put his name to a document declaring them a 'hate group'?
He's craven and bereft of integrity but he cannot be that stupid, can he?

OK, I confess. She’s a Tory double agent. We infiltrated her into the party to make Labour unelectable for another ten years....

Whose existence is in doubt Emily? Natal born women know that they exist as a sex class. Do you acknowledge that fact or it is only people that are not women whose existence must be validated, nay lauded?

What a load of utter bilge you spout.

If you start from the position of TWAW then talking about protecting women & girls is meaningless.

I read this as saying that trans people win the oppression Olympic s, most vulnerable, stunning and brave blah blah blab but to help those uppity women understand this TRAs should be nice and stop calling people hate groups.
TL;DR to TRAs: shouting won’t get you what you want, being nicer will.

Can anyone please remind me which of the candidates bothered to sign the women’s pledge?

Thanks.