BBC2 Politics Live just after 11am this morning

Just caught up with it -Selina was so good. Calm, clear - and incredibly dignified.

Labour beard bloke - not so good.

The discussion is on youtube but as audio only:

One of my thank you cards is in the post first thing tomorrow! Anyone care to join me?

(The Magnificent!) Professor Selina Todd
University of Oxford
Faculty of History
George Street
Oxford
OX1 2RL

Hi FreakOutFarOut and thanks for delurking and joining in!

This dude was so outrageous, I totally understand why that gave you that last nudge onto FWR. He was a gift to our side, he really was.

I do worry that if we leave all the political parties they'll all be ran by awful TRA influenced men

Then the ground is completely clear for the sane left to organise and provide a real alternative. Bring on the real alternative, the time is long overdue.

And if those parties are run by people who are sane, with sane policies, in touch with the electorate who are screaming to be heard and not run like a glove puppet by Stonewall's hand up their bum, they'll walk it at the ballot box.

What an odious, self-important twit he is.

What an odious, self-important twit he is.

Yes I thought it was an interesting piece of research charlieparley.

I can't imagine how Selina stayed so majestically calm

She was majestic, wasn't she?

I think that kind of demeanour becomes easier to maintain as we move away from the 'here we have a transphobe with morally repugnant views and three stunning and brave sadface ladies. You have 20 seconds to defend your indefensible transphobia, transphobe woman!' starting point.

These issues are not going away. Women are not shutting up and handing over their rights. The persistence and determination of incredibly courageous women means conversations are now having to take place, and be conducted more fairly because the public are listening and waking up to what's happening.

We have science and logic behind us, so once the scold's bridle is removed, brilliant academics like Selina Todd can make mincemeat of twerps like the Angry Beardy Man.

Just wanted to say how good Selina was. She should do media training on the side. We'll done that woman!

I do worry that if we leave all the political parties they'll all be ran by awful TRA influenced men

I worry about that as well. It's all very well pp stating that they are leaving Labour and never vote for them again but isn't that handing the victory over?

You know, I can't imagine why the TRAs were so keen to have all the changes silently implemented without public knowledge, far less debate, and why they went to such extremes to try to ensure that silencing. It's bewildering. This is going so well for them!

The Prader Willi/ obesity comparison is a good one. I do worry that if we leave all the political parties they'll all be ran by awful TRA influenced men

Well, I ended up taking the dog out for a walk, despite the fact that I have a painful sprained ankle as I felt so guilty for scaring him by shouting at beady cunt. I think we are both feeling a bit calmer now. At no point were we as worked up as that red-faced, bulge-eyed loon, though. I can't imagine how Selina stayed so majestically calm.

Harrop. Ta bore I love when harrop gets. All splutterly that a woman dared to say no to him

How dare she

I've Just watched it. What an insufferable boorish tool. He comes across extremely badly. I'm so glad I left the Labour Party now.

Mockers

Thank you Sexnotgender, what a diverting piece of research. From your link:

After controlling for demographic variables, men with facial hair were significantly higher in hostile sexism than clean-shaven men; hostile sexism was a significant predictor of facial hair status over and above demographic variables; and facial hair was more frequent among ambivalent and hostile sexists than among benevolent and non-sexists. It is suggested that sexist men choose to grow facial hair because it maximizes sexual dimorphism and augments perceived masculinity and dominance."

Posted this elsewhere but feels relevant here too.

www.discovermagazine.com/health/flashback-friday-men-with-beards-are-more-likely-to-be-sexist

You mean like this?

Beardy MP really came across as simmering with anger. Did not leave a good impression on me at all - just the type to be gleeful at a witch hunt in the 16th century. Vengeance disguised by a ‘rightful cause’.

Thanks ClosdesMouches. I thought his name was familiar.

Yes, same beardy, McKenna. IIRC Dawn Butler was present.

Thanks for that, Bore.

Always excellent viewing but as I say every time it's posted here, Harrop's facial expression when PP states that she believes that TW are not women is priceless.

Is that the beardy who was filmed doing a chicken impression in the HoC last week?