The death of satire is now complete

You misheard it. It's actually: "For the men, not for you"

There slogan of For the many is just bullshit.

You misheard it. It's actually: "For the men, not for you"

(not mine, saw on FB)

I seem to have found a list of people from one of those Twitter feeds, which shows who signed the pledge

Pound to a penny that the social media avatars of those signatories will be heavily skewed to anime. And all will have pronouns listed.

@BritneyPeedOnALadybug
I won’t vote labour (well for a host of reasons) but I want a robust opposition. We have a democracy and we need to have fair debate. This shows an utterly unelectable, unprepared and downright stupid tactic that does not resonate with voters left or right and in utter contempt for ....well running the country. There slogan of For the many is just bullshit.

@NeedChoos

The thing I don’t get...is how can anyone not questions the sheer volume of comments against the manifesto. The plume of people on the #expelme....it’s mind boggling that someone at Labour HQ hasn’t gone “errr hang on. Are we totally sure about this.”

I assume two things, but don’t know if either are right:

1. MPs don’t write or read their own tweets and get skewered feedback from the interns that posted them.

2. MPs do write and read their own tweets but any replies which disagrees to what they posted is seen as a nod that actually, yes, people are transphobic and hateful for not agreeing with them and falling in line, and yes, what TRAs are saying is correct because: look at all the hatred and non-agreements people are giving us and so we need to push this agenda harder.

I know which one out of 1) and 2) would be more “preferable” to me.

Personally, I also find the lamenting of the downfall of the Labour Party quite confusing, in regards to specifically this. I’ve seen quite a few comments/threads on here hoping that Keir Starmer will hold strong on this issue and manage to gain power and be the next PM but if his party has control of law for five years (assumably) then that is a very long time for laws surrounding this to be made lawful. I don’t like the Conservative party and have never voted for them in my life as I disagree with their policies but this issue is such a major game changer that I don’t want Labour anywhere NEAR any sort of power until every single one of the people and hangers-on trying to push this thing forward are out.

Two things:

1. It isn't actually the Labour Party who created this pledge. It is a small group of TRA.
2. Emily Thornberry said she had not signed it but she is on that Google docs list So someone is lying

This is honestly all I could think of when I read the pledges.

The Labour Twitter pledge makes me think that Labour don't want to win an election. Maybe they're scared of number 10? It's just baffling they've gone this route. Maybe they're thinking if they just say voters like this enough it'll turn into actual votes? That's how this works right?

The thing I don’t get...is how can anyone not questions the sheer volume of comments against the manifesto. The plume of people on the #expelme....it’s mind boggling that someone at Labour HQ hasn’t gone “errr hang on. Are we totally sure about this.”

They’ve no chance of getting in to power anytime soon, they may as well say whatever they like.

I seem to have found a list of people from one of those Twitter feeds, which shows who signed the pledge. That was up to 1PM yesterday.

docs.google.com/document/d/1NnTMkgXbefaMG0wsUHt-3Q9805BQs9JApYO02y0w0Cc/mobilebasic

OP you’re not the only one. I sometimes read things and think is this a joke? Or ‘do they really believe that?’ and I don’t know which is worse, do they really believe what they’re saying or are they saying it out of self-interest? I’ve sometimes laughed at what someone I’m talking to says because I think they’re being satirical...and then comes a silence and disapproving looks.
Yes, it is worrying. A mass case of ‘what must not be cannot be’. It will probably go on for years until it stops. And then start again. My definition of history: Shit That Didn’t Need To Happen.

Or worse, someone who merely identifies as a surgeon

We joke about this..... a friend in the states recently showed me some advertising locally to him, where people without qualifications such as accountancy etc identify as with their lack of qualification and registration a selling point. As in 'look at me, free of the rubbish of restrictive training, no establishment nonsense and no indoctrination in a lot of rubbish (like ethics, standards, quality assurance, regulation)' - and people are actually falling for it, not least that these 'I identify as' people are way cheaper than those qualified and regulated.

The Labour party has become the place where facts go to die and become reincarnated as crazy opinions!

To be fair, it’s not the Labour Party yet. So far it’s a small faction, who’ve basically just killed any chances they have of controlling the party. The twitter responses demonstrate that this does not and will not fly with a large percentage of Labour members. I was pretty sure RLB had no chance of winning anyway, but now it’s a done deal.

If this were a batshit subsection of Tories, with the public response generally being “you’re nuts”, would people be talking about it like it’s Conservative policy? There are plenty of nutters in the Tories, with fringe views on all sorts of issues affecting women’s rights. And yet they’re running the country right now.

The trending hashtag is trending because of the response of Labour members.

To some extent, I'm assuming, the leadership race will have some sort of impact on this issue.
I would like to think that if, well anyone except RLB wins, the party will begin to return to a more level headed path.

Maybe I'm expecting too much

If I go to a hospital to have my burst appendix removed do I really want to see a surgeon who believes my appendix is located in my left big toe?

Or worse, someone who merely identifies as a surgeon

And then another part of me thinks, crack on guys. Put it right out in the open, make this into a giant public fuss, and the faster the better, because the massive majority of the general public will shift from 'I can't be buggered with this nonsense' to 'fuck this'.

Exactly this! The sooner all this comes out in the open the better. Most people haven't got a clue what is going on.

The problem is that though they seem to have little interest in winning general elections the people pushing this stuff are very interested indeed in retaining control of the parties in which they're embedded, so that's where their focus is, making it very difficult to make the kind of changes needed if Labour are ever to be elected again.

Bloody hell. I notice in point 5 it’s only transwomen that face misogyny and not women or trans men.

By point 9 I could picture the author frotting themselves to orgasm at the exclusion of A Woman’s Place and the LGB Alliance (but maybe I’ve been reading too much about AGP).

It’s a dreadful manifesto. There’s no room for compromise or working with other groups in a spirit of harmony or cooperation. Only total capitulation will do.

They might as well just put up a big flashing sign saying “please never elect us” at this stage.

Political wonks, what can we actually do about this? Is there anything?

This campaign group inside the Labour Party has just 2,132 followers on Twitter (which is bound to include at least a few following from the other side). Yet leadership candidates are endorsing it, against the interests of potentially millions.

I understand that the party wants a pipeline of members and activists, so is keen to get youth on board, but there are major generation and cultural gaps here, and #ExpelMe and #LabourLosingWomen are an expression of huge holes in that membership pipeline - further along the pipeline, at a time of life when political allegiances should be more stable (members a party can rely upon for votes, volunteering and funding). This is very bad politics. It's negligent opposition.

The declaration starts here: twitter.com/Labour_Trans/status/1226939313264394241?s=19

I think it's indicative of the way many left wing parties have become completely dislocated from the demographic they imperiously claim to represent. This phenomenon is happening on both sides of the Atlantic. The hierarchy of victimhood is such a bankrupt paradigm that it is inevitable it will end in farce. And Labour's pledges are farcical. The fact they have been written by trans activists and are being regurgitated by people who expect to be elected? It's comical. And that is how you can tell satire from ideological fanaticism. The purveyors of the former have a sense of humor. The po faced identity zealots? Not a trace.....