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Angela Rayner says you can only be a Labour member if you believe TWAW

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jadefinch · 11/02/2020 13:36

And has effectively also said that Women's Place and the LGB Alliance (essentially groups for women, gays and lesbians to meet and discuss women's, gay and lesbian issues) are hate groups and them meeting are hate crimes

Angela Rayner says you can only be a Labour member if you believe TWAW
Angela Rayner says you can only be a Labour member if you believe TWAW
Angela Rayner says you can only be a Labour member if you believe TWAW
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littlbrowndog · 11/02/2020 23:34

Twitter tonight

A game-changing policy which is going to help win back those northern heartlands?

Or a policy which will be viewed as swivel-eyed, ‘woke’ gobbledygook by 95% of the population? 🤔

I know what my money would be on. 🙄

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 11/02/2020 23:34

Like they rewatched the old Monty Python episode about the Spanish Inquisition and saw it as a how to guide, littlbrowndog.

AtrociousCircumstance · 11/02/2020 23:33

I have just cancelled my membership.

Fucking hell. Also politically homeless.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 11/02/2020 23:33

Pitting women against each other is precisely what this group of demands is intended to do. And I do mean the actual women. It's Good Girls versus Evil Witches and that is 100% intentional.

littlbrowndog · 11/02/2020 23:32

It’s like the feckers have just gone we will never get elected.

Let’s just do mad stuff instead.

ThePurported · 11/02/2020 23:31

Farcical. Lisa Nandy tweets about transphobic hate crimes but doesn't have anything to say about the appalling smears against WPUK and LGB Alliance.

littlbrowndog · 11/02/2020 23:30

Pledges 3, 4, and 5 are intrinsically sexist and homophobic. Collectively the pledges are a recipe for introducing structural instability into the Labour Party. Its not sustainable to try and get everyone to disbelieve the evidence of their own eyes. Sex exists. Its material.

Floisme · 11/02/2020 23:25

Dammit Rubid beat me to it.

I know I shouldn't be enjoying this but I can't stop laughing.

Floisme · 11/02/2020 23:23

Sounds like Lisa Nandy's given in.

Thornberry was speaking to Pink News earlier so I think we can write her off.

So that just leaves Keir Starmer who seems to be pretending he hasn't seen it yet.

Rubidium · 11/02/2020 23:23

Uh oh, Lisa Nandy has spoken up:
twitter.com/lisanandy/status/1227362922571104258

Oh Lisa, I did want to support you but...Sad

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 11/02/2020 23:20

Given that it's not possible to have any sort of discussion with people who believe in no debate perhaps those are the people he should be trying to reason with.

ThatLibraryMiss · 11/02/2020 23:18

One of the replies o the Twitter thread: Saying ‘trans women are women’ won’t satisfy those campaigning against this, but a proper discussion might help.

How can you have a discussion when anything other than unquestioning acceptance leads to accusations of transphobia and cries of "TERF"?

Rubidium · 11/02/2020 23:12

So in the past few years, Labour have lost/ are losing the support of:

  1. Scotland,
  2. The Jewish Community,
  3. Their working class heartlands in the Midlands and the North,
and now
  1. Women.

Christ that's some going.

VortexofBloggery · 11/02/2020 22:45

louhotel just read it. I don't think David the Dinner Lady will be enough for her, she'll have to sign up to the Trans Commandments to be safe.

ThePurported · 11/02/2020 22:43

So, birth certificates are dangerous (and violent), but immediately releasing all trans prisoners would be perfectly safe?

Isn't the director of TAH Jess Bradley, the one who gave evidence to the Women & Eq Committee? And later was under investigation - something to do with penis-flashing and child abuse cartoons.

nauticant · 11/02/2020 22:40

The BBC article linked to above, www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51465800, actually contains factual and reasonable reporting. Having read it I thought "I bet Ben Hunte didn't write this". He hadn't, it was written by one of those passé female people who no one listens to these days.

Can you imagine what his version would have been like?

Absolutepowercorrupts · 11/02/2020 22:27

@TransgenderAlly
Good. Angela Rayner is quite right about this as well. Bigotry has no place in the Labour party
I'm so sorry that I missed your thread. I was alerted to your completely neutral thread by a friend on Facebook.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 11/02/2020 22:23

The fact that half of the prisoner who've identified themselves as trans within the system thus far have been sex offenders does rather put that particular demand into context.

Valanice1989 · 11/02/2020 22:19

Bloody hell, @Ereshkigalangcleg:

We demand an end to birth certificates and to legal gender. Gender records should be anonymised, and only ever recorded as part of equalities monitoring. Neither government, nor any institution, has any justification for keeping a register of trans people. Birth certificates are not just a violence against trans people, they are a material to the state’s oppression of “undocumented” immigrants and asylum seekers.

Then, later in the same document:

We demand immediate release & pardon for all trans prisoners.

So, birth certificates are dangerous (and violent), but immediately releasing all trans prisoners would be perfectly safe?

MedusasButterDish · 11/02/2020 22:18

I hope the holdouts take the example of Victoria Atkins the other day, stressing that hastily made law is bad law and as much as some people are demanding the GRA be changed ASAP, this is important legislation to get right.

Hold your fire and consider your responsibilities to others in society - others who don't have Stonewall, Mermaids, law firms, corporations and so on on their side. If you really want to be a leader, hold your nerve and "take back control!" Wink

HPFA · 11/02/2020 22:08

Please anyone who's joined the party recently stay in until you've voted.

Keir Starmer isn't going to be a miracle worker but at the moment he's just about the only frigging hope we have of EVER having someone who can get Johnson out. At least let's give that a chance to happen.

@TheProdigalKittensReturn Until the data hacking smear and today's events I would have agreed with you. Now it looks like deliberate sabotage - what they're doing isn't even helping the RLB campaign so what's the point?

CallofDoodee · 11/02/2020 22:07

This is just fucking madness? What are they thinking?!

NotAtMyAge · 11/02/2020 22:00

I refuse to let this issue force me out. I'm voting for Starmer and staying to fight this lunacy.

Me too. Someone has to try to rescue the Labour party.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 11/02/2020 21:53

that are now actively trying to destroy the party from the inside rather than give up control.

I don't know that they're aware that they're wrecking the party, as they genuinely believe that they're on the side of the angels. I don't think they care at all about whether or not they win elections though, it's all about what's going on within the party.

LouHotel · 11/02/2020 21:53

Nevermind Thornberry waving the trans flag in pink news today.....