Angela Rayner says you can only be a Labour member if you believe TWAW

he'd risk losing the leadership election because he would be immediately targeted.*

Is there really no chance that he'd win more support than he lost? Obviously not from bromentum but among trade unions and rank and file labour MPs?

Starmer is in the lead. If he were to come out as GC now (if he is), he'd risk losing the leadership election because he would be immediately targeted.
And as we all know, there are a lot of people who haven't yet realised that there is a lot more to this than a few mean radical feminists. They'll read the headline and not vote for him.
He won't be able to change anything if he doesn't get voted in. I think it's sensible for him to keep his head down.

I'm guessing, judging by his comments on here, that he is trying the "kicking the can down the road" approach to tackling this issue head on. Sadly, for him, we are down at the end of that road.
As my old boss used to say " shit, or get off the pot".

Yes. It would be a good idea if he was, along with everyone else who doesn't really believe TWAW and/or understands the need to retain women's sex based rights. Then this body of people (who I would predict would include many trade unionists representing non-elite professions) could start the doubtless long and arduous task of building an opposition party fit for purpose.

Starmer is presumably staying away because he's a canny politician who thinks he has already said enough to display fealty to the Queer theory crowd, and realizes leaving this one alone may get him the votes of the women who are so pissed off with it

Or, he thinks it's ridiculous and extremely sinister, as anyone with sense can see. He's got my vote no contest

Just seen on Twitter 10 pledges from Kier Starmer. Guess what one of them isn't? Should he be expelled now?

Can we start asking MPs who come on MN webchats about this in an open unrestricted way now?
It’s important enough to some of them to call for women to be kicked out of their political party over this, so it seems they should be happy to talk about it to women?

That's the fantasy ideal - yes - that everyone will finally see the light and be redeemed.

And that women and LGB people and the working classes and Jewish people and northerners and pensioners etc etc etc will believe that it's better to vote in a party that openly hate them, disparage them, wish to remove their rights and will work hard to oppress and attack them.... is better than Tory scandal and fiddling.

That was kind of tested to destruction at the last election. That should have been an open goal for an opposition party.

On Emily Thornberry - she's been far too busy visiting the Pink News office.

Who did she visit, I hear you ask?

Why it was that nice chap Benjamin Cohen - you know, the one who was on BBC's Politics Live, and shrugged and looked away when told about the women raped in prison by Karen White.

I wish I'd recorded it.

Labour and Momentum are playing the long game

That's the fantasy ideal - yes - that everyone will finally see the light and be redeemed.

I want to ask my local Labour MP what his position is but I am scared that even asking would constitute a "hatecrime" and get me put on a list that local party activists have access to.
What a world they have created.

Labour and Momentum are playing the long game

They may not be elected next time, or even the time after next.

But ultimately the Tories will be more in so many debacles and scandals and an economic downturn (which happen periodically) that ONE DAY Labour will win, and what a party it will be for them then.

That’s their game.

This really is a fork in the road for Labour, very Pythonesque in its manifestation of a sensible and a silly party in a slab of concrete.

@WeBuiltCisCityOnSexistRoles , I'm in Mcr area and no fan of Burnham . I think he jumps on any bandwagon going to get elected. However, I'd take him as leader over any of these numpties if he were brave enough to align himself to common sense on biological sex.

I see Twitter have removed #expelme from the trending list, and split the hashtag to try and cover it all up.

They have! Sneaky. They'll probably expel us all from Twitter now too. All those beardy TRAs/MRAs in the Silicon Valley can't have the women gaining solidarity can they??

Momentum have turned Labour into a fringe religious group. Socialism is the new Christianity - and the benefits will never come in this world...only the next.

Saw this the other day (lost the source):

"Nietzsche said in Beyond Good & Evil: “Christianity gave Eros poison to drink; he did not die of it, certainly, but degenerated to Vice.” Secular progressivism gave compassion poison to drink...and it degenerated into social justice."

A couple of months ago Labour were making noises about protecting women's sex-based rights

Only certain ‘women’ once they had self id.

Labour can’t win next time. Maybe the time after that. If the leadership can rebuild the party. Last time it took them Kinnock then Smith then Blair. They haven’t even decided they need a Kinnock yet.

Or maybe they do and they're just that vicious and spiteful

I think what we are witnessing is another twist of social history.....with the various players already assigned their roles in the drama.
And I also see the wholesale invasion of American narratives and patterns of engagement - to the extent that the traditional British left is unrecognisable.

I see Twitter have removed #expelme from the trending list, and split the hashtag to try and cover it all up.

Good luck with that, chaps. I think that genie's long out of the bottle.

I feel the same GCAcademic

Although I'm not sure even Starmer could win the next election - back in December, the election analysts were saying no party has ever gone from 80 seats down to a win in the next election. It may depend on how awful brexit is, and how many people blame Boris and think oh perhaps we should have given Labour a shot at it after all.

I also think Andy Burnham has the strategy of appealing to potential voters, with an eye to a bid for leadership in the future - one of my friends who is in Manchester has told me that as mayor he has introduced free travel passes for 16-18 year olds and they all think he is wonderful.

Labour need to spend more time focusing on decent centre left policies that will improve the lives of many instead of pissing about with identity politics and enabling fringe groups like Momentum to set the agenda.

I wonder if part of the reason behind their desire to display wokeness at all times may be that they think they will be appealing to the younger demographic ie younger teens who will be of an age to vote at the next election

Absolutely. Lib-left organisations now trying to pander to the young - to the point that ageism has become perfectly acceptable. And the BBC/The Guardian in trying to win over very specific audiences are actually alienating many of their core support.

To be honest, I hope they now elect Long Bailey........that will mean they are finished as a political force....for many years to come.

That's exactly how I feel, to be honest, as much as it pains me to say it as someone who has voted Labour most of my adult life. With Starmer as leader they have a chance to win a general election, and there is no way that he wouldn't implement self-ID.