Angela Rayner says you can only be a Labour member if you believe TWAW

Anyone heard of gay men being told transmen are men, and therefore they should be attracted to them as men regardless of them actually being women?

Quite a lot of gay men on this subreddit (link below) whose membership has rocketed up to 12k in recent months. From what I can gather that's mostly due to ideological takeover of all or the majority of gay subreddits. It's been a while coming because of course the lesbian subreddits were the first to fall.

Complaints range from draconian thought policing and instabans for being even slightly pro reality to annoyance at vulva pics (reframed as boi clits/dinky dicks and other such nonsense) being allowed in NSFW dick pic subreddits.

Clearly they're not getting half as much hassle as women especially IRL but a few are obviously having issues in friendship circles. There's also quite a few posts screenshot from social media with insane trans homophobia aimed at gay men that wouldn't be out of place somewhere like the Westbro Bapist Church.

www.reddit.com/r/LGBDropTheT/

Yes, OnABeach - look up The Boxer Ceiling on Facebook. He documents it. Apparently one of the things 'trans men' get when they transition is an appalling sense of entitlement. It's maddening reading - exactly what you might expect would happen when the petulance of a teen who has never heard a firm no from an authority is mixed with doses of testosterone.

Anyone heard of gay men being told transmen are men, and therefore they should be attracted to them as men regardless of them actually being women?

"I have an outie cervix that just happens to look kind of like a penis! Don't just me you bigot!"

I suppose when trans women start demanding cervical smear tests on non existent female organs and GPs who won't perform it are prosecuted as transphobes, common sense might prevail. Not banking on it though.

I would like for Angela Rayner to write to every member of the Labour Party to tell them that she thinks that the intact male paedophile rapist Karen White/Stephen Wood should be jailed in a women's prison, which is the logical consequence of TWAW#nodebate because you cannot deny someone's gender identity under this ideology, and that any Labour member who disagrees should be expelled.

I think the outcome of such a letter would be entertaining.

Allow me:

It means Trans Women (male people) Are Women and there is literally no difference between someone born male who says they feel like a woman and someone who actually is a woman.

What's twaw?

I'm not aying that means I trust either her or Keir Starmer to lift a finger for us. But what it does suggest - perhaps - is at least a level of political nous, which is kind of useful if you're hoping to be a party leader.

Yes, this is it for me. Obviously I feel strongly about this issue, but what has got me more about the other candidates, and Jo Swinson etc, is that they just seem so tone deaf, refusing to listen, sticking their fingers in their ears and saying 'I'm woke, I'm kind, I'm woke lalalalalalalalalalala' at the expense of everything else. It's just not what you want from a leader is it?

At least Keir and Emily seem to be even slightly aware of what is going on outside the Labour bubble.

Isn't the televised debate tonight? I might even watch!

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I must admit I'd seen Emily Thornberry was doing a Pink News interview and had assumed she would be signing up. But if she has, she seems to be keeping quiet about it on Twitter.

I'm not aying that means I trust either her or Keir Starmer to lift a finger for us. But what it does suggest - perhaps - is at least a level of political nous, which is kind of useful if you're hoping to be a party leader.

Isn't the televised debate tonight? I might even watch!

Anyone using the words ‘women’ and ‘empowerment’ in the same sentence marks themselves out as anti-feminist

Leadership of what?

Pink News are holding an LGBT leadership hustings on 20 Feb apparently...

our voices won’t be silenced and we won’t stop fighting for women’s empowerment

By removing all women's facilities and intentionally and aggressively excluding and punishing disabled women, women of faith, women of trauma, and any woman who wants privacy, dignity and to not be regarded as a support human. And not letting women gatekeep their bodies from males wanting sex on nasty grounds like 'I'm homosexual'.

Really empowering.

The woman's out of her tree.

But then I saw the tweet about "Yay us, 3000 people signed our lovely not terrifying, women hating, anti gay, Stalinist/Mcarthyist burn the witches at all pledge so it's a huuuuuge success" wholly ignoring that 23000 people by midnight had tweeted utter disgust and rejection of it. Bit of a ratio. But apparently in lala land that's ok.

Kier knows...

And he will get away with it as well in a way that the others wouldn't because he is a man and we know that TRAs only really enjoy giving women shit over this.

Where are our usual monitors correcting us and educating us on this thread ?

The tussle and oh so predictable silliness over the Labour leadership is a complete gift to the Government.

It is, yes. I have emailed my MP to say that I will never vote Labour again while these views are given any credence. One vote lost, in an increasingly marginal seat, one of those that remained red.

Just seen on Twitter 10 pledges from Kier Starmer. Guess what one of them isn't? Should he be expelled now?

I did think it was interesting that it wasn't in there.

Anyone pressed Starmer and Thornberry to commit?

Thornberry was pointedly being asked to commit to the pledge by the Labour Trans account on that Pink News Twitter Q&A she did yesterday. Not sure if she did.

That's very revealing @timelady. My estimation of Debbie has gone up and down over the years, but this is definitely a good thing for them to be speaking up about. I think we have to be careful in the GC movement, not to end up locked in our own purity spiral. Glinner, Hayton, Posie Parker, - all flawed human beings - but then aren't we all?! On this particular matter we're all largely in agreement so let's park the rest until we've sorted this. Is my two cents.

Debbie Hayton in The Spectator

blogs.spectator.co.uk/2020/02/do-rebecca-long-bailey-and-angela-rayner-have-a-problem-with-trans-people-like-me/

Appallingly, the pledges also name and attempt to shame two reputable organisations. Pledge 9 calls on Labour politicians to:

“Organise and fight against transphobic organisations such as Woman’s Place UK, LGB Alliance and other trans-exclusionist hate groups.”^

This claim is both outrageous and false. Trans people have attended meetings of both groups and even spoken from both platforms. So it’s astonishing that leading politicians would throw caution to the wind, adding their names to such a statement.

When I expressed my concerns to the Labour Campaign for Trans Rights, I was promptly blocked. Presumably this means the group have themselves fallen foul of pledge six. Only if you are the right sort of trans, it would seem

The cognitive dissonance is strong with this one. If there is any cognitive function at all, that is.

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Long-bailey tweeted this an hour ago my article in HuffPostUK on why there is no path to power which does not have equality and freedom of all women at its heart. We've always been stronger than the bully boys, our voices won’t be silenced and we won’t stop fighting for women’s empowerment

At this point I just think she is as thick as mince. She has just sided with the bully boys.