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Angela Rayner says you can only be a Labour member if you believe TWAW

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jadefinch · 11/02/2020 13:36

And has effectively also said that Women's Place and the LGB Alliance (essentially groups for women, gays and lesbians to meet and discuss women's, gay and lesbian issues) are hate groups and them meeting are hate crimes

Angela Rayner says you can only be a Labour member if you believe TWAW
Angela Rayner says you can only be a Labour member if you believe TWAW
Angela Rayner says you can only be a Labour member if you believe TWAW
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Lordfrontpaw · 11/02/2020 14:57

Liberation from what/who?

Arseaboutdarkly · 11/02/2020 14:56

'Trans liberation' ffs

Lordfrontpaw · 11/02/2020 14:55

@Betterversionofme - no, my mum had a much more - er 'colourful' vocabulary. Not necessarily sweary but usually very descriptive!

jadefinch · 11/02/2020 14:53

One of the most misogynistic people i've ever known of in my life is a woman. And she used to be a card-carrying Tory. She's now a Labour member and, despite not being remotely interested in trans rights, often appears on Facebook and Twitter to abuse women under its guise. She's even said she joined Labour because it's easier to troll women on social media

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frazzled1 · 11/02/2020 14:51

twitter.com/labour_trans/status/1226939313264394241?s=21

Those pledges in all their glory:

  1. Accept the material reality that trans people are oppressed and discriminated against in British society, facing a rising risk of hate crime, and difficulty accessing public services, healthcare, housing and employment.
  1. Believe that trans liberation must be an objective of the Labour Party, and that transphobia is antithetical to our collective aims.
  1. Commit to respecting trans people as their self-declared gender, and to ensure that the Labour Party is an inclusive environment for trans people.
  1. Accept that trans women are women, trans men are men, and non-binary people are non-binary.
  1. Accept that there is no material conflict between trans rights and women’s rights, and that all trans women are subject to misogyny and patriarchal oppression.
  1. Listen to trans comrades on issues of transphobia and transmisogyny, allowing trans people to lead the way on our own liberation.
  1. Support the work of trans members and organisers within the Labour movement, including supporting motions on a local, regional and national level which are presented for the furthering of trans liberation.
  1. Oppose transphobic motions which run contrary to our own party equalities policy, and support the NEC striking down such motions on this basis.
  1. Organise and fight against transphobic organisations such as Woman’s Place UK, LGB Alliance and other trans-exclusionist hate groups.
  1. Support the expulsion from the Labour Party of those who express bigoted, transphobic views.

  2. Support reform of the Gender Recognition Act to improve transgender rights, as well as supporting policies which would improve trans people’s access to necessary healthcare, housing, and employment.

  3. Organise against and oppose any further transphobic policy from our own party or any other.

To which sheroine Janice Turner asks:

To be clear, Owen, looking at points 9&10 on that pledge you’ve signed, will you be campaigning for everyone who supports @WomansPlaceUK or @AllianceLGB - eg @ruthserwotka or @luluchops1 or @Lachlan_Edi - to be expelled from the Labour Party?

It’s a yes or no question, @OwenJones84.

Betterversionofme · 11/02/2020 14:50

Lordfrontpaw
misogynist? Applies to anyone hating women.

Arseaboutdarkly · 11/02/2020 14:46

I’m going to cancel my membership after the next leader is elected

I refuse to let this issue force me out. I'm voting for Starmer and staying to fight this lunacy.

Lordfrontpaw · 11/02/2020 14:45

My old mum was deeply suspicious of women who didn't seem to like/support women. She had a word for it but I can't remember what it is (I'll ask my sister).

jadefinch · 11/02/2020 14:43

Yes - Rebecca Long-Bailey has just tweeted her support for this fascistic document

Angela Rayner says you can only be a Labour member if you believe TWAW
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FridgeOffal · 11/02/2020 14:40

And this, Angela, is why I'm politically homeless. Sad

DJLippy · 11/02/2020 14:38

She has history when it comes to this sort of thing. When I met my local MP Angela Rayner to discuss my concerns re the GRA
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RoyalCorgi · 11/02/2020 14:36

My favourite response on that thread:

twitter.com/Aja02537920/status/1227215362564993024

RoyalCorgi · 11/02/2020 14:33

Angela Rayner is unbelievably dim, as is Rebecca Long-Bailey. For three reasons:

  1. No sane person really believes that TWAW.
  2. Anyone who thinks about the issue for even 30 seconds can see the problems self-ID poses in terms of enabling predatory men into spaces designed for women and girls.
  3. Even if you really buy wholeheartedly into the TWAW mantra and assorted nonsense, a sensible politician who retains the desire to be elected would have enough sense to realise that this sort of stuff alienates a large chunk of the electorate. Just today, Lord Ashcroft's report on why Labour lost the election has shown that Labour's wholehearted embrace of trans nonsense played a part.

It absolutely depresses me that two people that thick stand a chance of being elected leader and deputy leader of the main opposition party.

littlbrowndog · 11/02/2020 14:31

Well these politicians are accepting their salaries to reprsent their constituents. Of who some are women

Why don’t they do5 their jobs for the money they get

Catting · 11/02/2020 14:27

Was listening to today's 'Triggernometry' podcast all about Labours awful woke strategies failing their core voters.

Very interesting.

Forgotthebins · 11/02/2020 14:25

It's not up to Angela though, is it.

zen1 · 11/02/2020 14:15

I’m going to cancel my membership after the next leader is elected. I clung on hoping that there’d be change and de-woking but obviously this was misplaced.

ErrolTheDragon · 11/02/2020 14:13

(Hm, not sure why my autocorrect changed LTB to LTBTConfused)

ErrolTheDragon · 11/02/2020 14:11

Well, I don't usually resort to stock MN answers but I reckon 'are they on glue?' and 'cancel the cheque' just about covers it. And maybe a LTBT

Tanith · 11/02/2020 14:11

I see Rebecca Long-Bailey has also endorsed this. For goodness sake!

Still, it does root out the brainless candidates who will sign anything put before them.

Floisme · 11/02/2020 14:10

I can't wait for the web chat.

nauticant · 11/02/2020 14:08

Those pledges!

  • trans people (ie transwomen) are the most oppressed of all people
  • accept self-ID in all circumstances, no debate
  • there is no conflict between women's rights and trans rights, and to see any conflict is misogyny (not sure where that leaves women in prison encountering Karen Whites)
  • believe what trans people say, no debate
  • all of our statements must put trans people before anyone else
  • dissent must be suppressed
  • dissenting organisations are by definition transphobic and are hate groups
  • expel dissenters
  • embrace the next 10 years of Tory rule (OK I made that one up)
Tanith · 11/02/2020 14:01

Fortunately, it isn't up to them Hmm

Lordfrontpaw · 11/02/2020 13:56

Too busy polishing her cookie halo.

andyoldlabour · 11/02/2020 13:56

I wonder if Angela will bother to read the replies on Twitter?

twitter.com/AngelaRayner/status/1227188845642424320

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