Attacks on Glinner on MN today - clearly his 2 articles today have been effective!

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I thought poota explained quite well why she was ‘tetchy’ in her posts of 22:11 and 22:21

Cool. Well thanks for being angry then not being arsed to explain why, that really helps drive things forward, pooter.

Anyhoo. I was really impressed by the article. I thought it was clear and hard to argue with. Sadly, I see many of my friends on Facebook think he's the devil incarnate.

I've had a busy weekend and haven't yet had the chance to see what Glinner has written. Whatever it is, I'm pretty sure that I'll be grateful for it, so thank you Graham.

Whatever. I've not got the patience to go a few rounds on the reasons why, no, men can't be feminists, and why feminism is all about women and why 'GC feminism' is a ridiculous tautology, so I'll leave you to have those discussions amongst yourselves.

"Men should speak up for women, but they never do".
Man speaks up for women.
"Why should we praise man who speaks up for women?"

I don't really see any difference in the way people treat articles from men or women. Some like them, some don't. Some swoon, some don't. The idea that people weren't swooning over JKR is bizarre to me, there were pages of fangirl swooning, people planning to buy her books, etc.

I really can't credit the claim that people give more time or consideration to men as a group. If people like Glinner, I think it's because they seem him as giving a lot of himself to this particular issue, even when it was total heresy and no one was talking about it in public, and also I suspect because people just like him.

The articles themselves are relevant to discussion of women's issues, as is the public response to them.

Are men not able to be feminists, then?

I welcome a supportive man's voice. Feminism shouldn't be pitching women against men for fucks sake. What a fucking own goal if we implode because a man speaks up for us

If there is a woman published saying the same, by all means highlight her. As we did when JKR did. As we do with various other women.

Pooka has a point for sure

Thanks Rufus. I admit, I'm tetchy. Must be the rattling windows from the storm outside.

Yes, I am Suzie Green and I have Harrop next to me dictating copy. Jesus.

Feminists are not lock step conformists. We have disagreements. Please, if you have a legitimate reason why a feminist should not object to Glinner being our spokesperson in a national paper, like Hayton before him, then lay your feminist reasoning on me. But insinuating that the reason some of us are not on board with the Glinner love is because we're TRAs is just as cultish as transactivists.

There are three threads on glinner

I haven’t posted on the first two, seems to be fairly equal in the ‘yay/boo glinner‘ posts and people are entitled to their opinion

But i agree with poota an additional thread purely to have a pop at women doing feminism wrong is poor form in my opinion

Sour grapes? Are we being bitter feminists, perchance? Never, ever heard that before.

I haven't actually posted on a Glinner related thread for a long, long time, but I have my limits and a special extra thread designed to have a pop at feminists doing feminist critique on a feminist board, of the attention a man is getting for saying all the things women have been saying, was a bit too much.

Sorry but it just comes across as plain old sour grapes. The posts I read seemed to say things like "thank you" not " all praise the most glorious"

In being the centre of attention on a feminist message board?

The threads thanking glinner would have moved down very quickly if it wasnt for all the moaning about it!

What patriarchy does to women. It's an ongoing project.

This is FWR. It's not Twitter, or Facebook, or the comment thread under the article. It's not the 'Gender critical' board. It's a feminist board. The fucking cheek of saying that the feminists objecting to the lauding of a man who has done the decent thing of speaking up when bad things happen, but has also some very not feminist views, are doing it for anything other than feminist reasons.

Centre of attention ? Or being recognised for doing someth8ng that they didn't have to do, that may cost them that is supporting women ?

Perhaps only women should be allowed a thread and men's actions no matter how useful must remain a footnote? Like do unto a man what patriarchy did to women?

A persons sex should not matter?

in what context? In being the centre of attention on a feminist message board? What could possibly be the difference in discussing JKR's input Vs Glinner's? Could it be their respective sex, and the fact that feminism is about liberating women and amplifying their voices?

Nah, that can't be it. Must be something else.