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Attacks on Glinner on MN today - clearly his 2 articles today have been effective!

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xxyzz · 09/02/2020 21:21

Lots of attempts to shoot the messenger today.

Thanks, Glinner for both articles, which are clear and helpful introductions to the issues to those new to the topic.

Thanks for writing them, donating your fee to WPUK and for all the shit you've taken for supporting women.

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MoleSmokes · 12/02/2020 01:37

OhGodWhatTheHellNow there were "pass the smelling salts lawks a-mercy!" mentions in the "being looked at" thread almost straight away, ie. that screenshots were being shared on Twitter "proving" that Mumsnetters were giving Glinner a good drubbing - with (amazingly) no mention of the articles in the Daily Mail and The Times Grin

I do wish now that I had archived the OP's many "Repent! Apologise! . . . Unless you are just insane of course, let us pity the poor creature!" posts - they were priceless! Grin

How extraordinary that that screenshot on Twitter apparently shows a draft of one of those posts! Psychic maybe? Time traveller??

10FrozenFingers · 11/02/2020 17:35

Hero time. Well done Glinner.

RufustheLanglovingreindeer · 11/02/2020 17:31

I’ll give you a yell when its safe to come out of the hole curious

This will all blow over in a day or two...til the next time obviously

CuriousaboutSamphire · 11/02/2020 17:04

I wasn't sure I got the points being made in them either. Far too self referencing and circular!

Maybe it's just me down a hole then! Grin

RufustheLanglovingreindeer · 11/02/2020 16:17

I get the disappointment

But everyone is entitled to their opinion...the first two threads were full of opinions

RufustheLanglovingreindeer · 11/02/2020 16:16

curious

Im not sure i get it either

And all the hole talk has just distracted me further Grin

RufustheLanglovingreindeer · 11/02/2020 16:15

I thought they were amalfi

Amalfimamma · 11/02/2020 15:17

RufustheLanglovingreindeer

They are quotes. Some are. Mine, some are swearys

CuriousaboutSamphire · 11/02/2020 15:11

I don't get it, Rufus It's that simple!

I would like someone to explain it so I do understand. That's why I venture into may threads on FWR.

Wormhole - either gaping great time sucking venture in space. Or inconsequential hole in ground

Rabbit hole - either gaping great hole in ground full of psychodelic ventires, or a larger hole, less inconsequential hole in the ground.

I am trying to work out if this weird one group of women I often look to to explain things versus another groiups of women I often look to to explain things argument has any merits and if so what are they?

It all seems vaguely incoherent, angry and circular. And disappointing!

RufustheLanglovingreindeer · 11/02/2020 13:13

Im not frothing or in a wormhole

Whats a rabbit hole then...is it just any type of hole

CuriousaboutSamphire · 11/02/2020 13:10

What the fuck is going on???

Wormhole opened and you all fell down it????

I have no idea what the hell is happening!

Glinner - journalist has GC leaning, wrote about it, good piece, thanks!

What the hell else is needed? Why all the frothing - both sides?

I don't get it!

RufustheLanglovingreindeer · 11/02/2020 13:10

They appeared to be quotes to me

NotTerfNorCis · 11/02/2020 13:09

^Are you the author of that post?
That little vertical line at the end of the text would indicate so...^

Hahahaha! Hoisted and petards come to mind.

Coyoacan · 11/02/2020 13:09

I totally disagree with the posters who do not want men to speak up on this subject. I've just seen my brother, who is a major influencer, post Glinner's article on facebook. We need everyone on board for this fight, 51 pc of the population is not enough

Cascade220 · 11/02/2020 13:08

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OhGodWhatTheHellNow · 11/02/2020 12:48

Maybe not memento but this might be a useful hint...

twitter.com/EubanksRoburt/status/1226546030235258885

mement0mori · 11/02/2020 11:23

The purpose of that thread was (apparently) to engage Mumsnetters on FWR in a discussion about that OP's lengthily detailed "concerns" that Graham Linehan might be suffering from "mental health problems" - the "symptoms" (apparently) on display in Benjamin Boyce's recent YouTube interview with Linehan

I was on that thread and I think this misrepresents what the thread was about. Sadly since that thread has now been removed nobody can go and see for themselves what it was actually about.

NotTerfNorCis · 11/02/2020 10:39

Kudos to Glinner. He's suffered a lot of abuse over this and for people to criticise him for being a man is unhelpful and mean.

NellieEllie · 11/02/2020 10:16

I think it’s a bit much to resent glinner for being a “spokesperson”. He speaks out because he is genuinely concerned and angry about what is happening. If he gets more response, that’s not his fault. He’s known, his comedies were/are hugely popular My view is that, of course this issue affects women and girls more than men but, I really think that where we are being told to embrace an ideology that tells us to state untruths as truth, to deny reality, to ignore safeguarding for children, to celebrate unnecessary and harmful surgery and drugs, then that is a major concern for EVERYONE, not just women. This really isn’t purely a women’s issue to my mind.

Of course people who criticise what is happening are not a homogenous group. We will have different politics, different types of feminism. There will be “spokespeople” who we may not entirely agree with on other issues, or agree their own emphases. I just think Graham Linehan has been really brave, he has risked his career and if there were many more like him - as well as the women who have risked their careers to speak out, we would be in a better place.

ThinEndoftheWedge · 11/02/2020 09:44

@Poota

I would love to laud academia, the police, the CPS, the EHRC, the NHS, most journalists etc for calling out this bullshit - ‘assigned at birth (nope happened 9 months before) and observed at birth, telling children you can be born in the wrong body (you can’t- you only get given one), pushing experimental puberty blockers and surgical intervention to children etc BUT MOST don’t.

Too cowardly. Even though they all know it’s true.

I am happy to laud anyone who puts their head above the parapet to tell the truth. I am happy to laud anyone who defends my daughters’ rights NOT to see a fucking adult male penis when they get changed for swimming in our female communal changing rooms and for that adult male with a penis NOT to have the right to watch them change just to validate themselves - or worse-, that their female biology is fact and actually means something.

All the politicians are failing.

I laud men and women- Glinner, James Kirkup, Douglas Murray, David Challen, Janice Turner, Meghan Murphy, Madeleine Kearns, Emma Hilton etc.

All of them need cheering on / lauding... no one is perfect

MoleSmokes · 11/02/2020 02:13

It is very good advice to "Advance Search" a User Name.

For example, anyone reading this thread might assume from the discussion that it refers to two threads previously posted in praise of Graham Linehan and that the OPs in both cases are long-time members of Mumsnet.

That is not the case.

Mumsnet has taken down one of those threads "to look at it". The OP in that case was (apparently) a first-time poster on Mumsnet. (Hello JaneHathaway2 in this thread).

The purpose of that thread was (apparently) to engage Mumsnetters on FWR in a discussion about that OP's lengthily detailed "concerns" that Graham Linehan might be suffering from "mental health problems" - the "symptoms" (apparently) on display in Benjamin Boyce's recent YouTube interview with Linehan.

So many eloquent posts in that thread from that OP, demanding repentance and apologies from Glinner alongside exquisitely detailed expressions of "concern".

I do not believe that that is how "mental health problems" are diagnosed and cured these days - it sounded more like a combination of a Maoist struggle session , Stalinist "psychiatry" and a witch trial.

Pleased to see that that thread is being "looked at" and hoping that that is the last we have seen of it.

As far as I am aware it was the only thread highlighting the BB interview with GL. The video itself was not linked by the OP. All the better to invite speculation without the bother of providing anything so trivial as evidence?

Beyond irony, the video referenced in the now-hidden "mental health concern" thread, is titled:

"Cancel Culture Club | with Graham Linehan"

The first victims of "Cancel Culture" mentioned by Linehan in that video are Julie Bindel, who he decided to listen to along with "the many, many women who were shut down like her".

I am disappointed and sorry to learn from women here that they have suffered in different ways due to Linehan's actions (it is all very mysterious and unspecified but I am happy to take their word for it).

I was in two minds about adding to this thread and "bumping" it but there were a couple of things that bothered me.

First, the "Advanced Search" for user names thing. I did it when I saw what I thought was a bizarre OP post about Linehan (the thread now "being looked at"). The results showed that this was apparently a "first time poster". However, people change User Names so, for all I know, it might have been someone who has been posting here for years under another name or names.

Secondly, the unintentional false impression given by this thread that there were two other threads started around the same time that were "boosting" Linehan, ie. at the expense of women who have been doing good things. I thought that impression needed correcting as one of those threads sought from the outset to portray Linehan as "problematic", made unsupported insinuations about his mental health, was extremely distasteful and possibly defamatory.

Finally, the irony of what I perceived as an attempt to deflect attention from the articles in the Daily Mail and The Times by using an interview with Linehan that focussed on "Cancel Culture". You really could not make that up!

(Just checked in case there is another Glinner thread that might lead to this post being misunderstood and yes, there is, it is about a Glinner Newsnight interview. No comment - this is already uncomfortably close to being a "Thread About A Thread" as it is.)

Somerville · 10/02/2020 01:48

OP - You need to take a step back and remember that other women may have more information than you or different experiences to you and as a result a wildly different opinion of a man you only know by his writing.

If you want to discuss that further then do it on the thread in question rather than starting a TAAT to make insinuations that will goad those women you disagree with.

Oh and before you embarrass yourself with continued insinuations that women who happen to disagree with you are TRA socks, maybe you want to advance search some usernames.

Amalfimamma · 10/02/2020 01:30

Are men not able to be feminists, then?
No, men cannot be feminists. Men can, however be allies. Bit if you read the numerous threads about the subject in here you'll see that is not the case here.

Amalfimamma · 10/02/2020 01:24

Do seem to be a lot of people keen to divide feminists, tonight

You ok hun?

RufustheLanglovingreindeer · 09/02/2020 22:56

Im back off to my book so not ignoring the thread

Have a good night all Smile

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