Contraceptive pill in water causing gender confusion?

I do hope this was a long time ago because it's quite illegal today.

Oh yes, this was back when I was a high school student.

No this is not codswallop. I'm at work but will try and post links later but there is a lot of chemical waste in the water sources which is changing aquatic life. This includes medication which is passed out through human waste and is extremely difficult to remove from the water supply. We do not yet know the full effect of this on humans.

I don't know the science of it, but I have read about it in the past. What I find worrying is that if the minimum hormones in a contraceptive pill have caused this craziness of transgenderism, surely the cure should not be to put more hormones into the water supply.

Contraceptive pills have been used for decades, but the large number of gender confused children and teenagers have mainly appeared after certain groups started telling them that they must be a boy if they like football, or must be a girl if they have ever looked at a general direction of a doll.

As is this
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2774166/

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5880839/

There are quite a few studies about BPA exposure on foetal development.

“ The results suggested that offspring exposed to BPA during late pregnancy showed higher anxiety than controls, corresponding to an apparent loss of sexual dimorphism of anxiety-like behavior.”

There’s a lot more in there but it’s an interesting read.

I used to have a job that involved disposing of past-date drugs, basically it meant flushing them down the toilet.

I do hope this was a long time ago because it's quite illegal today. Medications have specific disposal bins for incineration (and controlled drugs are denatured first to discourage theft of medical waste). The two biggest risks from flushing that spring to mind are from antibiotics entering the environment, causing resistant organisms and medications which have teratogenic effects.

If you (a general you, not you in particular, Goosefoot) have expired or unwanted medication please return it to a pharmacy so it can be disposed of safely.

I'm not sure why this focus

I think when this first went into the public eye, it was more up in the air as to the sources of the problem. It probably just seemed like an idea most people could relate to.

I used to have a job that involved disposing of past-date drugs, basically it meant flushing them down the toilet. An there were a lot, even though it was just one doctors office. It's easy for people to imagine this, it's more relatable than some other explanations.

It's woman-blaming codswallop.

What's more, I'm sure I've read if you took all the women on the Pill off the Pill and they were getting pregnant instead, the levels of said hormones in their urine would be far higher.

There are lots of other chemicals and drugs in the environment too that mimic estrogens.

In the paper linked to upthread, the data indicates these are responsible for ~ 99% of the effects observed on aquatic life - but that's rarely what people seem to have heard, it's always the contraceptive pill which seems to be blamed. I'm not convinced it's woman-blaming as such but I'm not sure why this focus.

I thought all the stuff about the pill and the water supply was in order to blame women for a range of stuff?

It has seriously never occurred to me, or to anyone I've ever spoken to, that effects of something like contraceptive pills in the water is about blaming women. No more than I'd blame some unexpected effect for a drug used for men on men.

Has someone actually said that is women's fault? It seems easy enough to refute if they did, since plenty of men also benefit from the effects of hormonal contraceptives.

Not sure how women taking something which mimics pregnancy hormone levels could change testosterone. Natural fertility would surely result in similar levels of estrogen excretion?

I don't know if women excrete hormones differently on the pill, or maybe if the synthetic hormones don't break down the same way. But most of the things I have heard about are people disposing of drugs that go unused by their expiry date.

There are lots of other chemicals and drugs in the environment too that mimic estrogens.

Yes this was a topic discussed whilst I was at school. I can’t remember all that much of it but very interesting that it was being discussed back then, way before being trans was even a thing.

I thought BPA plastics were thought to be responsible for something during pregnancy. Can’t remember the source.

Not sure how women taking something which mimics pregnancy hormone levels could change testosterone. Natural fertility would surely result in similar levels of estrogen excretion?

Meh. The other day I read an article that suggested that the Pill turns women into some sort of lobotomised Zombies and alters our psychology to the point where women aren't actually 'themselves' whilst on it, and that also applies to women who don't suffer from side effects.

In other words, a load of fucking bollocks.

It's alllll bollocks.

Destroying fish
Rendering men infertile
Making people confused
Ruining society

You know, the usual

I thought all the stuff about the pill and the water supply was in order to blame women for a range of stuff?

I've forgotten all that, my probably failing memory said that it was thought to have a negative impact on marine life???

It's pseudo science. As is most so called 'gender critical' gumf.

See the links upthread for the actual culprits, FannyCann

One of the clearest examples of chemical disruption of sex development was the masculinising effects of Tributyltin (TBT), used as a ship anti fouling agent, on marine snails such as dog whelks. It's banned now.

But if it was increased oestrogen in the water supply causing gender confusion, why the huge rise in ROGD in girls?

It isn't just contraception, it's HRT as well. I have had discussions about whether this is contributing to rising rates of breast cancer. Perhaps it is having an effect on men too?
Regarding fish I was listening to a nature/science program on Radio 4 some time ago which stated that antidepressants in the water were affecting behaviour of some species. IIRC fresh water shrimps were becoming less cautious and instead of hiding in the shadows under a rock were carelessly and joyfully playing in full view in the sunshine. (Putting themselves at danger from predators). Something along those lines anyway. I think it was shrimps possibly a different but similar species.
So I won't poopoo these theories but I can't claim to have studied the research or seen anything definitive.

Should have thought the pill hormones in the water supply were more than matched by all the flushed wank-tissues.

There have been papers published about plastic pollution mimicking the effects of oestrogen, effecting men especially. Sperm counts in Wetern males are declining and it has been suggested that plastic pollution may have something to do with this.
I will try to post links when I can.

I have heard people suggest this before. Specifically with relation to fish, and also the phenomena in some places of lack of male births because male babies are miscarried, or lowered sperm counts in men compared to the past.

It does sound like kind of a science fiction tv show, on the other hand, there are these effects, it seems like a logical thing to ask in a way.