Ireland, same as it ever was

Gay Byrne really wasn't all that.

If a transcouple were to go on some British show here, there would be uproar - well among the Feminists of MN anyway. It didn't even make headlines in Ireland

it wouldn't make headlines in Britain either. And trans people are on British TV all the time without MN or anyone else giving a fuck. I don't believe for a second that you're Irish, you're acting like it's a novelty that trans people can be on the TV without nuns rioting on the streets.

also your erasure of the woman with "transcouple" is noted.

@Kantastic If a transcouple were to go on some British show here, there would be uproar - well among the Feminists of MN anyway.

It didn't even make headlines in Ireland. We're more accepting of people than this small segment of reality that is the Feminist board on MN.

As an Irish woman, I care about every single citizen.

I agree, we really don't fucking care. That's my point.

We do.

Ireland is now so liberated that we wouldn't care a jot about a trans couple being on the Late Late.

I don't know if you realise how cringily backward and embarrassing you are making Ireland sound. Are you a Brit roleplaying? Possibly, a Brit who identifies as Irish?

Mercifully we've a lower suicide rate than the UK.

I agree, we really don't fucking care.

That show thankfully, continues to tackle the 'not mentioned'.

I'm sorry, is the implication here that in Ireland the heartrending struggles of late transitioning middle-aged transwomen are usually "not mentioned?"

Ireland was silenced for so long on so many things, that Gay Byrne was the only one wishing to risk his job by discussing them. Ireland is now so liberated that we wouldn't care a jot about a trans couple being on the Late Late.

Ireland has a significantly higher suicide rate than the UK and higher male to female ratio (and presumably NI rates are included in UK figures and they are higher than the mainland figures so Britain would be lower again.

2018 suicide rates:
Ireland 7.2 per 100,000
U.K. 11.2 per 100,000

And btw - the Late Late Show is the longest running talk show programme in the world.

I'm sorry, but I find this discussion offensive. The Late Late Show is renowned for breaking boundaries and lifting the lid on 'hidden' Ireland.
The woman was saying that if she had had to continue to live as a man, she would have been suicidal.
That's brilliant that she can speak out like that!
Ireland is not what you think we may be.
We've always always always been a rebellious nation. And that is how we got our Independence from Britain. By being rebellious.
I'm very proud that we speak out about these more silenced parts of our lives. And I'm glad that we have a forum to do so.
Gay Byrne started the Late Late Show and died just last year. I actually cried on the phone when my Dad told me, such was the man.
He rattled the gates of power, he danced on the tables of the Church. He broke the mould. That show thankfully, continues to tackle the 'not mentioned'.

In a far more grown up fashion than any English show I know of.

Just go onto youtube and search for Gay Byrne interviews and you'll see what he challenged. He challenged the church. He challenged the state. He brought condoms onto the show in the 80's when none of us had seen one. He was a legend.

When I was growing up it was almost seen as heresy/blasphemy to say you didn't believe that material reality could be changed by the act of saying specific words, then we had a referendum abolishing blasphemy laws, then this shit started.... Yep, same shit different day!

Ireland has a significantly higher suicide rate than the UK and higher male to female ratio (and presumably NI rates are included in UK figures and they are higher than the mainland figures so Britain would be lower again.

Insufficient data to form conclusions on attitudes to suicide we can only speculate, but it may mean women in Ireland are more worried about the possibility of men in their lives committing suicide so more susceptible to it being used as coercion

How is it fucking profound to say your husband would have commit suicide if you didn't validate their trans identity.

Reminds me of my sisters ex who told her he was going to commit suicide if she didn’t have an abortion. Same old manipulative shite.

But it's certainly not exclusive to Ireland, is it?

It's not just the religious aspect of the Irish though. When I lived in the Republic I found people were very much inclined to be kind and think no evil.

@NothingWrong
You're saying It's reality. We talk about that shit in Ireland these days!

But on Craicnet you're stating:
I'm not in Ireland. I'm observing from the sidelines!

So you're not part of any "we" that is talking about anything in Ireland? You're sitting elsewhere talking about Ireland - which appears to have been your criticism of the OP?

Make up your mind where you are.

@Nothingwrong "we talk about that shit in Ireland these days" and yet you aggressively questioned OncewasLangandClegtwo's right to talk about it. What hypocrisy.

It's reality. We talk about that shit in Ireland these days!

'same as it ever was'

I'm most familiar with it as:
House of Pain's album name;
Talking Head's Once in a lifetime ;
variation of SAMO in guerilla art - particularly the "enigmatic epigrams" that featured so heavily in the Barbican's recent Jean-Michel Basquiat exhibition.

I can see the similarity between transference of unthinking acceptance from a religious faith to contemporary social phenomena. I may be wrong in that.