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Line Manager just "come out" as Non-binary

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SpinningTooFastWantToGetOff · 07/02/2020 18:39

My line-manager emailed everyone in the office last week to say she was non-binary and we should use they/them pro-nouns.
Today I inadvertently called her she in an email to a colleague in another office, but line-manager was copied in, plus her line-manager. Are you keeping up? Confused
My line-manager responded to the email and added at the bottom a reminder about her pro-nouns.
I do not believe in the gender identity ideology and so object to being told to speak in an unnatural and incorrect way, but what I am incandescent about is being called out in front of 2 other colleagues.
Am I over reacting?

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Justhadathought · 09/02/2020 14:47

just a minority of people are gay. Even if a high proportion of them are narcissists, there are still more straight narcissists because there are considerably more straight people.What's your point though? Most narcissists are gay men? I love the effort you've put in to finding all those articles btw

Except that is not what was said. I said some of the most that I have met"....... If you actually read the links you might find them interesting.

It seems to be acceptable for you, on the other hand to make wide ranging and sweeping generalisations, though. Was it you who reported my post - without even taking the trouble to look at the links?

Justhadathought · 09/02/2020 14:44

Yes, a generalised, negative, assumption based view of a minority group.As I said, I'd have thought feminists would know better

Again, you are assuming everyone holds to the same belief system as you. That there is a uniform group of people - who share immutable characteristics with each other......rather than certain groups being beholden to certain sets of beliefs or ideologies - which other people are in disagreement with.

Nobody can deny race or sex...they are immutable categories......not ideologically driven ones.

Bananabixfloof · 09/02/2020 14:42

That's because it wasn't about you
Eckhart in a previous post to me you wrote.
Bananais a person 'present' in a conversation when they are party to an email thread that mentions them? This is the reality of the OP

Where are my preferred pronouns in the reply?
Be honest, you forgot.
So when can I go to MNHQ to get you banned.?

Eckhart · 09/02/2020 14:42

just a minority of people are gay. Even if a high proportion of them are narcissists, there are still more straight narcissists because there are considerably more straight people.
What's your point though? Most narcissists are gay men? I love the effort you've put in to finding all those articles btw.

Justhadathought · 09/02/2020 14:40

Your point, R0wan|

And what exactly is your point? To me it seems to be the same point made over and over again.......and responded to in great detail, and with considerable effort by quite a number of people.

You are happy to use preferred pronouns in all situations....whereas many feel very uncomfortable and compromised by that for the multiple reasons given. What else is there to say?

R0wantrees · 09/02/2020 14:39

Meanings of words matter Eckhart

Eckhart · 09/02/2020 14:39

Yes, a generalised, negative, assumption based view of a minority group.
As I said, I'd have thought feminists would know better.

Eckhart · 09/02/2020 14:36

Your point, R0wan?

Justhadathought · 09/02/2020 14:34

*So many assumptions are being made on this thread about people's personal choices and decisions, and criticisms of a whole minority are being based upon those assumptions.I would have thought that feminists of all people would understand why this is not ok8

We are talking generalised theories and ideas/ideology, rather than about specific individuals.

R0wantrees · 09/02/2020 14:32

hyperbole

noun
exaggerated statements or claims not meant to be taken literally.

Hmm
Eckhart · 09/02/2020 14:32

That's because it wasn't about you.

Bananabixfloof · 09/02/2020 14:30

One must always be mindful of hyperbole
One has already forgotten my pronouns

Eckhart · 09/02/2020 14:22

One must always be mindful of hyperbole!

R0wantrees · 09/02/2020 14:21

It is hyperbole in this context. OP has not been threatened with anything, or even reprimanded. She was simply reminded of a preference.

One must always be mindful of power dynamics.

R0wantrees · 09/02/2020 14:20

Should people change their conjugation of verbs too as a mark of kindness/respect/compliance or just pronoun use?

Eckhart · 09/02/2020 14:18

It is hyperbole in this context. OP has not been threatened with anything, or even reprimanded. She was simply reminded of a preference.

Bananabixfloof · 09/02/2020 14:17

Oh and my pronouns are I, me, mine
So can you remember that next time you reply to me thanks.

Eckhart · 09/02/2020 14:17

Banana is a person 'present' in a conversation when they are party to an email thread that mentions them? This is the reality of the OP.

Bananabixfloof · 09/02/2020 14:16

Fair enough. Your choice
But it's not a choice really when I am at risk of losing my job or even arrested.
This is not hyperbole, these have already happened.

Eckhart · 09/02/2020 14:13

I suspect we are referring to the same things, old crone, and interpreting them differently.

DiegoSaber · 09/02/2020 14:07

Right so it's down to who one wants to offend? Well I'm a grumpy ass bitch so everyone

Fair enough. Your choice!

Bananabixfloof · 09/02/2020 14:03

What has absence got to do with it, Charlie? Surely people should be referred to in the same terms regardless of who is present
Er the whole thing is about how one refers to people who are not in fact there at that time. Cos if they are there you say their name or you. That's compelled speech.

Oh and FWIW, since the discussion was about doing it out of respect and not to offend somebody, the Trump question is easy to answer: I wouldn't do it for him because I have no respect for him and would be overjoyed to offend him
Right so it's down to who one wants to offend? Well I'm a grumpy ass bitch so everyone.

OldCrone · 09/02/2020 14:00

I already have Eckhart. I saw speculation about a nonsensical ideology. What do you think were the 'assumptions'?

wellbehavedwomen · 09/02/2020 13:56

It's not a personal decision when you start policing other people's (wholly inoffensive) speech. It's anything but, in fact.

This is not a minority. It's a belief system. One not everyone shares.

Some believe that everyone has an innate gender identity, which may not match their sex (if they believe in sex at all, of course) or an absence thereof.

Others believe that women are oppressed by sex, and gender is how they are oppressed. Therefore elevating gender to some supreme importance in this way is to entrench women's oppression, and support it.

Those are directly colliding beliefs, and to insist only one has merit or value is discriminatory. Especially as the feminist belief tends to be held by women, and the argument is that genderism contributes to their oppression. So it's seeking to enforce a belief system in a manner that discriminates against a protected group.

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