Jameela Jamil comes out as queer

The Elly Jackson interview is good, thank you.

Yes well said Elly, I agree with her (except I'd called it mis-sexed I suppose as I don't have a "gender"). I'm tall with short hair and sometimes get called sir when people aren't looking closely. Likewise I saw a supermarket worker from behind the other day, shortish with long hair and thought he was a woman until I was nearer. So what? I don't care because I know I'm a woman - what does it matter if someone is mistaken?

Bloody love la roux. She’s so talented and sensible and gorgeous so nice to hear someone talk like that.

@Goosefoot Yes I agree it is an oversimplification. It would be interesting to have a decent discussion around this.

Agree Sam Fox coming out was brave.

“I’ve been misgendered. I don’t care. I got called sir three days ago by a delivery guy. And then they look at me for more than two and a half seconds and they’re like, ‘Oh, sorry, I thought it was a bloke then.’ I’m like, ‘It’s fine, I didn’t cut my hair and dress like this so everyone could think I was Gwyneth Paltrow.’ I am making some choices here. I take responsibility for it.”

Wow. Super refreshing. Makes Jameela look about 5 years out of date.

In contrast to Jameela and Phil, I give you Elly

www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/features/la-roux-interview-new-album-supervision-gay-lgbtq-elly-jackson-a9319376.html
La Roux: ‘The gay community are dying for you to label yourself’

Elly Jackson, back as La Roux after a six-year hiatus, talks to Alexandra Pollard about falling out with her record label, why she’ll never write another ‘Bulletproof’ and the difficulty of navigating her sexuality in public

A really interesting contrast to the purity spiral and the need to be validated and labelled.

Think the timing of this interview couldn't be better in that respect.

Really refreshing to read tbh.

I thought he had come out years ago, but then I realized I'd just misremembered him coming out as grey.

I have looked at twitter - all 'so brave' (weeping emoji).

Anyone who comments on the wife and children is shot down and their feelings are glossed over. They are the brave ones - he will get the hugs and high 5s but if they cry in public or don't look over the moon, they will get dogs abuse.

Brave would have been doing this 30 years ago, not now. Why now, why the Sun?

I remember when Sam Fox came out, now that was brave (back then, a woman - a 'glamour model' no less)...

I tend to think that in the current climate, a lot of people would cheer a woman in the same circumstances.

I'm just wondering if we have ever seen a famous woman, long time married with kids etc announce that they are actually gay and stepping away from the 'sham' marriage, etc.

I've just watched the whole thing on YouTube

You'd think he'd cured cancer for fuck's sake.

Why does a man who has deceived his wife for almost 30 years, get standing ovations and tears and such OTT lavish praise?

If this had been a women, I can only imagine the headlines, and they would not be so fulsome, to put it extremely mildly.

karencantobe

Yes, I think there have always been the people who are mainly about the thrills and such, or the emotional element.

Right at this moment in time I suspect that some of the people who are calling themselves queer are really people who have discovered that if you treat sex like a hobby, or just a physical transaction, you might enjoy quite a lot of things, without reference to the person you are doing it with. After all, people can have satisfying sex with a sex to - another human being can stimulate you quite effectively without you being attracted to them in the normal way, especially if you get used to that sort of interaction.

But to my mind this, along with the fact that there are strong cultural differences and also we don't really know much about the science of sexuality, all points to the way we talk about human sexuality being something of a simplification of whatever the reality is. Douglas Murray points out that over the last 40 years or so, in concert with the gay rights movement, there has been a really strong push to see sexuality as exclusivly hardware, but really we don't know much about it, and it's become a little taboo to talk about it in any other terms.

I'm just wondering if we have ever seen a famous woman, long time married with kids etc announce that they are actually gay and stepping away from the 'sham' marriage, etc.

I can't think of any.

Some friends have commented on FB.

Unsurprisingly (as they are middle-aged men, just like our Pip), they think he's a-ok and done the right thing, brave etc. It's only "haters and trolls" (me I assume) who have a problem with it.

By which I mean I pointed out how the wife has been humiliated and dumped while her husband of several decades makes a massive point of bragging to the world about how he's been in the closet for so long blah blah. He could have just discreetly separated and waited before stepping out with whoever, but oh no...massive instagram splash piece and popular TV chat show to dissect it all.

@goosefoot When there was a lot of discrimination against lesbian and gay people, there were a few people who said they were gay or lesbian because it was about the thrill of doing something sexually that was taboo. These people will always exist I suspect, but the form it takes will change depending on what is taboo.

I know George Michael said he was not bi but gay as he realised that it was not just about who he could get it up for, but who he could fall in love with.

I suppose another question might be, what about people whose sexual "openness" seems to be more about the thrill of pushing boundaries or doing the taboo? Or who get used to watching a lot of porn, or going to sex clubs, and begin to find that the respond to the cues they see and hear in those scenarios? Or cultures where there is very widespread same sex activity under certain conditions (like war?) I don't really think of those things as sexuality based.

Reading this thread and wondering where the discussion on feminism is.

Do we need a thread on this board that appears to have no other objective other than to tear other women down?

And lets be clear if Philip Schofied was brave he would have come out when it was actually very hard to be gay and out.

Philip Schofield probably did not come out or live as gay because of the real discrimination there would have been. He would not have presented that kids programme with Gordon the Gopher if he had been openly gay at the time.
Sure his crew might have known, but with Hollywood stars from the 40's the people they worked with knew if they were gay. Very different from the general public knowing.

I think if you have strong sexual attraction to one or both sexes then that does count as your sexuality. Although having a vague whim or wanting to "experiment" is not the same.

But someone who has only ever been with a same sex partner and is happy with that, has not experienced even the slightest discrimination from being with a same sex partner. Although in the queer world pansexuals are often seen as being more discriminated against that lesbian and gay people.

I also think young people often have no idea what a lot of older lesbian and gay people went through. Being fired from jobs, denied housing, hotel rooms, etc was all perfectly legal. The police could be just as anti lesbian and gay as well, so were not necessarily a source of protection.

99% of these "queers" will end up married or living with an opposite sex partner and kids. Experimenting when you are young is really nothing new.

I didn’t realise that he wasn’t gay. All the weeping and emoting - who gives a monkeys? Really this is 2020... at least he didn’t use a new tangled word for it. I did feel sorry for his wife and daughters though - not bi but gay?

I really want this show to announce that they are cancelling Jameela and replacing her with Phillip Schofield.

I vote for this!

Schofield was always gay. No one cared back in the day that he had Gordon the Gopher. All the camera crew etc knew and no one cared then and no one cares now.

Well his wife probably does, seeing as he's not even saying he is bi, so he's not in any way sexually attracted to her.

I hope Steph is ok. I'm thinking of her not him.

Bold fail.

*I totally agree you can know you're gay or bi without having experienced any encounters and many people do. I don't question whether she's bi because she's with a man. I question it - and what "queer" might mean - because the situation is so obviously suspect. She's done this right after getting attacked for not being "queer" enough. She's chosen the label "queer" as it can mean anything. And she has a long, long history of woke-signalling - so if she really had any non-straightness to reveal we would expect her to have done that long ago.

Now I could be wrong and she really have been bi all along and keeping it secret. Can't prove anything. But the suspicion is reasonable in the circumstances.*

This. If JJ had come out as bi, that would be a different thing altogether. There would be a number of small-minded people claiming that it wouldn't be possible because she is in a relationship with a man but they would be wrong. My bi friend is constantly told she must be straight now because she married a man. No, she's still bi. Bi means attracted to both sexes, not unable to be monogamous to either sex.

But JJ chose queer. A word which is loaded with historical violence and negativity yet had been diluted now to have a definition which pretty much encapsulates the majority of the population but that only the wokest of the woke are actually entitled to use. That's the frustrating thing.

I really want this show to announce that they are cancelling Jameela and replacing her with Phillip Schofield.