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Ruth Hunt uses maiden speech to make wildly misleading claims about the spousal veto

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miri1985 · 05/02/2020 22:58

Penis news is the only place reporting on this so as not to give them extra clicks, heres an archive link to the article about it <a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/save/www.pinknews.co.uk/2020/02/05/ruth-hunt-baroness-marriage-reforms-spousal-veto-house-of-lords/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">web.archive.org/save/www.pinknews.co.uk/2020/02/05/ruth-hunt-baroness-marriage-reforms-spousal-veto-house-of-lords/

The baroness said: “As a practising Christian, I understand how important it is to some people that marriage for same-sex couples is different from marriage to opposite-sex couples.

“I’m not sure if it remains necessary, however, to make the legal distinction between the two. The so called ‘quadruple lock’ that prevents the Church of England marrying same-sex couples could remain in place without the need to maintain two separate legal institutions.”

Explaining the “unintended consequence” for transgender people of retaining different models of marriage, she added: “When a couple is married and one person in that marriage transitions, their partner must consent to the change to change their marriage from an opposite-sex one to a same-sex one, or vice versa. If the partner refuses, the spouse cannot receive a gender recognition certificate.

“[A person] currently has the power to stop his spouse transitioning. This doesn’t seem fair or right. And his right to veto is because marriage for same-sex couples is a different institution to marriage for opposite-sex couples.

“Making divorce easier is common sense. It helps couples navigate what is often a distressing time more easily. I would ask government though, that we explore opportunities to simplify things further marriages marriage in the eyes of the law, and as a nation, we are proud that we extended it to same-sex couples.

“Anything we can do to help trans people and their families navigate the changes that are happening in their lives, that seems sensible too.”

Would love one of the fact check sites to do a report on this but I doubt it would be seen as important enough. Anyone else notice the use of "his spouse" instead of their wonder if that was intentional.

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ScrimshawTheSecond · 06/02/2020 09:18

Also please don't abolish the Lords, we need that 2nd chamber. Elect them, sure.

ScrimshawTheSecond · 06/02/2020 09:18

Misrepresentation that is easily disproved and fairly easy to grasp - so why are they pushing it?

Do politicians just get handed easy-to-chant proposals that they then parrot without checking? Give it a brief once-over, see that it ticks the 'LGBTdiversityinclusion' boxes and then start waving it around?

If so, who has handed them this little piece of not-quite-true?

RoyalCorgi · 06/02/2020 09:13

Her Christianity is no bar to her telling lies, apparently.

But we all know that Stonewall has been telling lies about the law for a long time. She's probably got to the point where she can't tell the difference between what's in her head and what's reality.

Michelleoftheresistance · 06/02/2020 09:11

Does Hunt honestly intend to try and spin it that no heterosexual woman should be allowed to morally object to being unilaterally reframed into a homosexual marriage because homophobia?

My God, the seeing of female humans as mere 'things' and props in male lives has become staggering.

ItsLateHumpty · 06/02/2020 08:32

TinselAngel, for all the hard work you put in to getting the message out, this misinformation by people who really should know better, must particularly grind your gears.

It makes me feel an impotent, shouty, rage and I'm not in your situation, but I can only feel shouty because your threads have informed me.

Thanks Thanks

Socrates11 · 06/02/2020 07:50

Dear oh dear, that 'news' article is something else, suits the speech I suppose. Hunt now in pole position to misinform the Lord's.
#AbolishTheLords #CitizensChamberNow

Datun · 06/02/2020 00:40

I agree, it's such a no brainer. There's no loss to the trans person.

Perhaps they are all genuinely under a misapprehension. Cos we all know how that happens.

R0wantrees · 05/02/2020 23:40

Its odd how many female politicians have chosen to make removing this part of the GRA such a personal battle.
Ruth Hunt joins Liz Barker (LibDem Lords) Jo Swinson & Jess Phillips MP.
Hmm

Datun · 05/02/2020 23:37

It's so easily disprovable, I don't get it.

And why would they want to force women into a same-sex marriage? What's the point? It just seems like spite.

TinselAngel · 05/02/2020 23:36

Yes I'm a bit mystified as to how it would help families.

R0wantrees · 05/02/2020 23:24

“Anything we can do to help trans people and their families navigate the changes that are happening in their lives, that seems sensible too.”

It should be very clear that Ruth Hunt hasnt spent any time considering the family of late transitioning husbands.

R0wantrees · 05/02/2020 23:20

November 2019 Make More Noise
"Trans Widows and the Spousal “Veto”: a modern fable of male entitlement"
(extract)
"Google “Spousal Veto” and you will find pages and pages of articles telling you what a terrible thing this part of the Gender Recognition Act (GRA) is, and how it allows the spouses of trans people to veto their transition in cruel and unusual ways. You’ll never see any evidence presented that the mythical abusive wife, who prevents her husband’s transition out of spite, exists, but that doesn’t stop her being mentioned in every article. After all as any feminist will tell you, when was the truth allowed to get in the way of anti-women propaganda?

What you won’t find, is anything explaining the effect that abolishing the “veto” would have on trans widows. So here goes.

First of all it is not a veto to transition, and it is gaslighting to suggest that it is. Who could have predicted that trans widows would be treated by the politicians in almost exactly the same way that we were treated by our ex-husbands? Why, those of us with a rudimentary understanding of patriarchy, that’s who!

Under the GRA, the transitioning spouse (usually the husband) has to have the consent [for the change of marriage status] of the non-transitioning spouse (usually the wife) before he can obtain a Gender Recognition Certificate. Whilst that consent remains outstanding, an interim certificate is issued. This gives any woman who does not consent, the space to get the marriage annulled/dissolved before her husband legally changes sex and becomes her wife. It prevents her being in a same sex marriage that she didn’t sign up to." (continues)

makemorenoisemanc.wixsite.com/mysite/post/trans-widows-and-the-spousal-veto-a-modern-fable-of-male-entitlement

BatShite · 05/02/2020 23:05

[A person] currently has the power to stop his spouse transitioning.

FFS, the usual bollocks. Why twats keep purposely regurgitating this utter lie? Why the need to lie to get people on your side, if you beliebe your side is the rigt one?

BadgertheBodger · 05/02/2020 23:04

Arrrrrrrggghhhh oh dear goddess please can she just fuck the fuck off Angry I am SICK of these lies being repeated over and over. Get a fucking brain cell Ruth and have just a little think. Just for a minute. Think outside your sphere of experience. Maddening.

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